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Principal resigns after Florida students shown Michelangelo statue

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Re: Principal resigns after Florida students shown Michelangelo statue

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> On Thursday, Florida's governor, Ron DeSantis, moved to expand a law that banned public schools from teaching sexual education and gender identity.

This is the most important paragraph in the article imo. Later it mentions Queen Victoria was also shocked in 1857 and ordered the statue's private parts to be covered with a leaf.

Many of these ridiculous Americans scandals are not too shocking if you consider some areas of the US are culturally stuck in the 19th century.

Re: Principal resigns after Florida students shown Michelangelo statue

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Thanks to news media and social media (often from foreign sources), Americans have fallen victim to culture war hullabaloo, which creates the perfect conditions for politicians to mismanage and loot a country. Speaking as a Nigerian where our equivalent to culture war is tribalism, I really hope no one else falls for the BS culture war politicians use to divide the population and mask their incessant failings.

I don't actually feel this is a particularly modern thing, this has happened before with 1920s prohibition, McCarthyism, the war on drugs, etc. It seems to be one of the weaknesses of American democracy, that a minority can enforce their will on a majority by sparking some sort of moral outrage that most voters don't actually share. Not sure what exactly causes it. If it's the electoral college system, the senator sy…

Probably the puritanical background and history of the US more than any particular structure.

In the article's example, it doesn't seem many of your points would apply. The school board is elected at the local level which rules out a good bit of those.

There's also the possibility that the voters/parents don't care about the nudity, but rather empathy about the lack of notification. They probably want to be notified of other sensitive topics and see the utility in such a policy in general. That was the real issue here.

Coming back to structure though. The biggest thing leading to outsized impact of minority groups are primaries. Primaries have such a low voter turnout that a minority group can have an outsized impact. To exacerbate this even further for the president, that only has to happen in the first few states for other candidates to drop out due to the staggered primary dates. So you end up with about 20% of voters in the first 10 states or so deciding who the main two candidates will be for president. The two party structure also contributes to the polarization as candidates are more concerned about opposition to a single party rather than alliances with other parties.

Re: Principal resigns after Florida students shown Michelangelo statue

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't actually feel this is a particularly modern thing, this has happened before with 1920s prohibition, McCarthyism, the war on drugs, etc. It seems to be one of the weaknesses of American democracy, that a minority can enforce their will on a majority by sparking some sort of moral outrage that most voters don't actually share. Not sure what exactly causes it. If it's the electoral college system, the senator sy…

It's been around a long time, but a major contribution to the worsening of late is the US news media. When my family visited the us in the early 2000s we thought fox news was a parody at first. We could not believe it was being held up as news, when the bias, and outright misinformation was passed off as fact. This platform was used with great effect to seed mistrust in all media, and now it's completely polarised, w…

The first amendment of the US Constitution makes it virtually impossible to pass any meaningful regulation of news media. As long as it's framed as opinion and not fact, these news outlets can say pretty much whatever they want.

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For those that like local news from local reporters from the local shop, this was first reported in the Tallahassee Democrat

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Re: Principal resigns after Florida students shown Michelangelo statue

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Thanks to news media and social media (often from foreign sources), Americans have fallen victim to culture war hullabaloo, which creates the perfect conditions for politicians to mismanage and loot a country. Speaking as a Nigerian where our equivalent to culture war is tribalism, I really hope no one else falls for the BS culture war politicians use to divide the population and mask their incessant failings.

The Simpsons were joking on exactly this censorship happening 30 years ago, so I don't think it's caused by social media.

This kind of censorship feels very (US-)american to much of the rest of the world. As someone who grew up in a catholic Hinterland, I am pretty sure the roots of the whole prudery come from organized religion.

Injecting people with shameful feelings about their most private (and most natural) parts of their lives is truly powerful. If you get the followers of your religion to see sexuality and nudity as something deeply shameful in the eyes of god, they will think about your religion before, during and after each slightly sexual encounter — you truly own them.

While in most catholic parts of Europe this kind of prudity became increasingly outdated during the last half of the century — to a degree where even my catholic Hinterland has no problem with topless women at the lake, my feeling is that the prude mindset runs much deeper in big parts of the US, Hinterland or not.

The overly prude censorship from the "freedom of speech"-nation was always somewhat surprising to Europeans. But only with the spread of (US-owned) social media platforms this became truly apparant. Shock! A female nipple! Censorship! Banned!

I'd argue that the rules of social media get internalized in society as well and that in a somewhat ironic sense this is making everyone more prude.

Re: Principal resigns after Florida students shown Michelangelo statue

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> On Thursday, Florida's governor, Ron DeSantis, moved to expand a law that banned public schools from teaching sexual education and gender identity. This is the most important paragraph in the article imo. Later it mentions Queen Victoria was also shocked in 1857 and ordered the statue's private parts to be covered with a leaf. Many of these ridiculous Americans scandals are not too shocking if you consider some are…

What unamerican souls currently look to a foreign sovereign over a century ago for direction?

Wait, that's only a strawman, right?

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