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I don't understand why users would voluntarily move away from piracy. I prefer "you can't do anything about it" to "please let us." Why the norm, base line expectation of the end user is not identity obfuscation and free access to information without hindrance I just don't get.

Because people are not good at using the Internet or technology and just want to click on links.

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Is this just ebook lending? Is that popular among local libraries? I thought Kindle/Nook/Apple books/etc completely dominated that market. Reading PDFs on computers/tablets for long form stuff never made much sense to me. I'm curious if local libraries get much traction from their digital libraries. I could see audiobooks getting locked down being a big hit though. Audible has a monopoly on that harder than ebooks ev…

My ten year old uses "Libby" a lot to borrow books from the local library - at one point they started rate limiting him. He also typically has a dozen physical books checked out at any given time.

Just curious: What kind of books do they read? On an ipad or something?

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There may be a question of definition here. Do you mean that they have to lend it, but they cannot give it away?

The parent post makes the unwise choice of using the word "copy" to mean "duplicate". They intend to say "libraries do not distribute duplicates of purchased books; they distribute the originals". Unfortunately the word "copy" could also mean "the books purchased by the library". Of course the library distributes purchased books. They just don't scan the books, print fascimiles of those books on new paper, and then d…

Ah, thank you. Replaced "copies" with "duplicates" in my post

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I thought the IA only archives websites and digital contents, which are in danger of being lost? eBooks are seldom the only form of publishing, thus I believe there is always at least an archive copy of them. Making them accessible for all is clearly very controversial.

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There may be a question of definition here. Do you mean that they have to lend it, but they cannot give it away?

I think what GP is saying is that when lending (or for that matter giving away) print books, libraries don't copy anything, they just distribute purchased works, which they have a fundamental right to do (in the US). That's different from the IA first making a digital copy and then distributing that copy, which there is no fundamental right to do.

Yes, exactly.

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I said it before on this very forum. Wikipedia does not really need your donations these days. IA just might.

Unfortunately IA lost all credibility in my eyes, when they decided that one journalist in particular gets to decide that none of their (awful) tweets should be archived[1]. I understand not allowing certain things to be archived, but the tweets of a public person, especially one who works as a news-maker, should certainly be in the allowed list. E: And just to be clear, this was before said writer set their tweets t…

Presumably you too can get your tweets excluded from the wayback machine. They're your intellectual property, you control what other's do with it.

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100 years? Seems hyperbolic. And you don’t need to do anything at all; all of these books have been freely available on IRC for years.

Sherlock Holmes' emotions would like a word. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/oct/07/the-curious-ca...

Are you aware of how that case resolved?

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My experience has been that many of the Internet Archive books (especially rare/old ones) are not available in pirate libraries. So this is sad news.

Personally, I've had good luck with HathiTrust Digital Library [0] for old books in the public domain. A majority of the books that I've cared to check are mirrored on both IA and HathiTrust. It has an arbitrary restriction that you can't download full PDFs, but at least the contents are all available. [0] https://www.hathitrust.org/

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This is the one use case where the blockchain/web3 is useful. Give me a decentralized library on the blockchain, where no government can take it down by merely discovering the host's identity and location. Invulnerable to rubber-hose attacks and censorship (which IPFS is still vulnerable to.)

Why do u need a blockchain? Why not just torrents for sharing.

I personally don't think it's necessary, but the Blockchain creates an effectively irreversible collectivization of the work: Removal would also undo whatever other work was committed.

It's kind of like cryptographically amortized hostage taking... Erase my book, and the pickle ball championships NFT gets it...

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