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Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Post by Aeolun »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #76
boomboomsubban wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Did the emergency policy lend more digital books than the number of physical books locked in libraries? We'll probably never know, but I think that was the logic. The most checked out book, The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe , had ~850 check outs. I think it's safe to assume they didn't come close to the amount of physical books locked in libraries. Not that it's very important, the pandemic policy is barely ment…

This is a justification that makes sense in theory, but the Internet Archive doesn't own those books and can't track them. If they had asked libraries to explicitly send parts of their collection to the IA for this, that might've held some weight.

That’s irrelevant to the defense, which would probably amount to ‘publishers didn’t suffer any material loss’.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Post by abetusk »

Digital copies of books are available to anyone willing to look for them, free of charge and easily downloadable. I suspect all this ruling has done, if I've understood it correctly, is make it more difficult for people wanting to download or view copies legitimately.

I love the IA. I use it weekly if not daily. My bet is that they'll push back on this and other rulings and will ultimately lobby for saner laws.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Post by d0gsg0w00f »

brewdad wrote: post #116
dgacmu wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone cares about working Sunday. Why is it Sunday? Why not Saturday? Right - one set of religious beliefs that aren't universal. Why should the state be mandating this? Isn't it better to use state power to prevent employers from being able to coerce employees into working excessively or being unable to negotiate the days off that are important to them?

Nobody wants to go to work on Monday. Let’s shut everything down on Mondays. :)

Asian restaurants around me that are open Sunday just close on Monday or Tuesday. Very common at least in Atlanta.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Post by kelseyfrog »

Dalewyn wrote: post #117
kelseyfrog wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're kinda taught that we choose representatives which reflect our values through the process of election and that those elected officials should they not reflect our values, are at the mercy of the electorate in the next election. Instead, few elections are competitive and the representation happens through the lobbying process. In short, the accountability story we're taught isn't true and money talks more than vo…

Citing the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact indicates you have no understanding of the political organization of the United States of America. I implore you to do your homework, but I will tell you the compact would only serve to reduce the voice of the people (that is to say, reduce democracy) rather than increase them.

Please look into responding with empathy and grace instead. You took a chance to educate and threw it away. What would you hope to gain from such an interaction?

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Post by thwarted »

nonethewiser wrote: post #115
zenexer wrote: post #89

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Yes: if it’s the sabbath, that’s an argument with which I’m familiar. My counter-argument is that I don’t want to be forced to practice someone else’s religion. If your religion already imposes those rules on its followers, why does it need a secular government to assist? If it’s not the sabbath, then I’m intrigued and want to learn more.

That isn’t forcing you to practice a religion.

If there's a fine for operating your business on Sunday because Sunday is the Sabbath, then there's a tax on not practicing a religion.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Post by ncallaway »

jodrellblank wrote: post #93
ncallaway wrote: post #53

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What makes Sunday so special? Why not just pass worker protection laws that prevent people from overworking, rather than dictating a magical day that nobody can work. It's a stupid idea and a dumb law that it only makes sense if your worker protection laws are too weak.

> " Why not just pass worker protection laws that prevent people from overworking " Provide your own answer here: why did the system which exists to exploit humans for profit do away with a free day instead of "just" passing worker protection laws? (Why did you frame it as "prevent people from overworking" instead of "prevent people from being overworked"?) > " It's a stupid idea and a dumb law that it only makes sen…

> Why did you frame it as "prevent people from overworking" instead of "prevent people from being overworked"?

I'm sorry I used the wrong words.

> Humans exist for more than just buying things

Yea, duh

> "A day for something in life other than shopping" is an important idea

That's fine. Why does it have to be the _same_ day for everyone? That's the stupid idea. Pass a law that says everyone must be given a full day off every week, I'm with you. Pass a law saying that day _must_ be Sunday, and I'm walking away.

Hell, pass a law that says everyone must be given three full days off every week, I'm with you. Pass a law that says you have to pay someone 3x for every hour they work beyond 30 hours, I'm with you. Pass a law that says everyone must work 9am-3pm and I'm walking away.

> Are you not lamenting the increasing feeling that you can't go out in public without being charged to be somewhere these days?

Irrelevant to the conversation, but generally, no.

> Or the gradual turning of all walks of life into advertising and subscription services?

Irrelevant to the conversation, but yea, it's a hellscape.

> Is any pushback on it "stupid and dumb" to you?

Nope.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Post by Aeolun »

sourcecodeplz wrote: post #46
LeoPanthera wrote: post #19

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It does suck, but it was self-inflicted. I love the IA, I've even done volunteer work for the Physical Archive, but the "emergency library" was mad. I can't imagine how they justified it.

Locked inside with "nothing" to do, one guy probably got high and had this "revelation" that would "help" everyone else locked inside /s. It's sad because it has muddied the image of IA and it made them look like rebels when in reality they were doing just fine flying (somewhat) under the radar. I've also read some comments here from people saying they would possibly stop donating to the IA because of this. Because o…

> I've also read some comments here from people saying they would possibly stop donating to the IA because of this.

Why? It’s not like this really makes a difference to the other 100 different things they’re doing.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Post by brewdad »

Dalewyn wrote: post #117
kelseyfrog wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're kinda taught that we choose representatives which reflect our values through the process of election and that those elected officials should they not reflect our values, are at the mercy of the electorate in the next election. Instead, few elections are competitive and the representation happens through the lobbying process. In short, the accountability story we're taught isn't true and money talks more than vo…

Citing the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact indicates you have no understanding of the political organization of the United States of America. I implore you to do your homework, but I will tell you the compact would only serve to reduce the voice of the people (that is to say, reduce democracy) rather than increase them.

The NPVIC could be a great advancement for democracy but since the side advantaged by the current system has zero incentive to agree to it, the idea is counterproductive without a mandate requiring the entire country to participate.
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