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Post by Teever »

defen wrote: post #45
Teever wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some of you reading this are going to huff and just disregard it, but for Thiel, preventing potential massive tragedy in the future is likely worth a tradeoff of some people being "harmed" now. Let's say I agree with Thiel on this matter. We agree so much that I intend to drone strike Thiel. Is this position good or bad? How does it differ from that of Thiel?

If your argument is that directly murdering someone is equivalent to supporting politicians who support policies which you don't like, you've already lost. Why not just murder the people who voted for the politicians that Thiel supported while you're at it?

You're right. Murder is wrong.

Now if I was to design, test, and debug these devices, then release the blueprints along with a manifesto that lists what I feel are problems in society and who I feel are causing the problems, how would that be different from what Thiel is doing?

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Post by lazyeye »

lapcat wrote: post #18
lazyeye wrote: post #15

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It's a mystery to me how those on the left get to spend so much time focusing on the threat of nazism whilst completely ignoring their own horrific history. I dont know how they get away with it.

How would I, as a native born US Midwesterner, view the USSR or the PRC as "my own history"? Not to mention that the USSR and PRC have both transitioned from economic socialism to capitalism while retaining political totalitarianism. So maybe the economic system and the political system are separate issues? There are plenty of countries in western/northern Europe that are more socialist, and indeed more democratic, t…

I've no idea what the Spanish inquisition has to do with the clear and obvious tendency towards an oppressive totalitarianism by left-wing movements throughout history. I think you have to be willfully blind to deny this.

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Post by lazyeye »

KyeRussell wrote: post #19
lazyeye wrote: post #15

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It's a mystery to me how those on the left get to spend so much time focusing on the threat of nazism whilst completely ignoring their own horrific history. I dont know how they get away with it.

I was going to just write this off as ridiculous whataboutism but it doesn’t do your comment justice. “The Left” frets about nazism because the BS fascist tones of the typical far-right-but-with-mainstream-appeal policy platform bare a far closer resemblance to the left-wing counterpart does to say…communistic dictatorships of times past. Pull your head in.

To quote the Big Lebowski..."well that's just your opinion man"

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Post by lapcat »

lazyeye wrote: post #52
lapcat wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would I, as a native born US Midwesterner, view the USSR or the PRC as "my own history"? Not to mention that the USSR and PRC have both transitioned from economic socialism to capitalism while retaining political totalitarianism. So maybe the economic system and the political system are separate issues? There are plenty of countries in western/northern Europe that are more socialist, and indeed more democratic, t…

I've no idea what the Spanish inquisition has to do with the clear and obvious tendency towards an oppressive totalitarianism by left-wing movements throughout history. I think you have to be willfully blind to deny this.

> I think you have to be willfully blind to deny this.

In the future, please follow the HN guidelines. I'm done responding to you now. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by Vecr »

Teever wrote: post #51
defen wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your argument is that directly murdering someone is equivalent to supporting politicians who support policies which you don't like, you've already lost. Why not just murder the people who voted for the politicians that Thiel supported while you're at it?

You're right. Murder is wrong. Now if I was to design, test, and debug these devices, then release the blueprints along with a manifesto that lists what I feel are problems in society and who I feel are causing the problems, how would that be different from what Thiel is doing?

That's probably legal if you are careful enough. You might get railroaded though, political prosecutions are a thing in the US.

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#56

Post by lazyeye »

lapcat wrote: post #54
lazyeye wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've no idea what the Spanish inquisition has to do with the clear and obvious tendency towards an oppressive totalitarianism by left-wing movements throughout history. I think you have to be willfully blind to deny this.

> I think you have to be willfully blind to deny this. In the future, please follow the HN guidelines. I'm done responding to you now. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

An easy out. I stand by my comment completely.

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#57

Post by Teever »

Vecr wrote: post #55
Teever wrote: post #51

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You're right. Murder is wrong. Now if I was to design, test, and debug these devices, then release the blueprints along with a manifesto that lists what I feel are problems in society and who I feel are causing the problems, how would that be different from what Thiel is doing?

That's probably legal if you are careful enough. You might get railroaded though, political prosecutions are a thing in the US.

You're right, I should more closely mimic Thiel by hiring some talking heads for social media platforms. One to disseminate the blueprints, and the other for the manifesto.

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#58

Post by defen »

Teever wrote: post #57
Vecr wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's probably legal if you are careful enough. You might get railroaded though, political prosecutions are a thing in the US.

You're right, I should more closely mimic Thiel by hiring some talking heads for social media platforms. One to disseminate the blueprints, and the other for the manifesto.

Is your argument that Thiel is arguing for murder, in a roundabout way? Can you give an example of that?

Re: undefined

#59

Post by Teever »

defen wrote: post #58
Teever wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, I should more closely mimic Thiel by hiring some talking heads for social media platforms. One to disseminate the blueprints, and the other for the manifesto.

Is your argument that Thiel is arguing for murder, in a roundabout way? Can you give an example of that?

It's not my argument, it's the argument of the person I'm responding to.

> Some of you reading this are going to huff and just disregard it, but for Thiel, preventing potential massive tragedy in the future is likely worth a tradeoff of some people being "harmed" now.

What I'm asking is how many degrees of separation is needed to make what OP is saying Thiel is doing acceptable.

Re: undefined

#60

Post by defen »

Teever wrote: post #59
defen wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is your argument that Thiel is arguing for murder, in a roundabout way? Can you give an example of that?

It's not my argument, it's the argument of the person I'm responding to. > Some of you reading this are going to huff and just disregard it, but for Thiel, preventing potential massive tragedy in the future is likely worth a tradeoff of some people being "harmed" now. What I'm asking is how many degrees of separation is needed to make what OP is saying Thiel is doing acceptable.

As far as I can tell, "harmed" is in quotes because the so-called harm would not even have been recognized as such in previous generations (unless you can provide counterexamples)
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