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Post by th14row »

crop_rotation wrote: post #103

What happens to social mobility in the post GPT world. Given that knowledge work (not just software) has been one big option for people to climb the social ladder. If the AI can reasonably do all knowledge work in future, the amount of social climbing opportunities will drastically decrease. And no, UBI will not create more opportunities for social mobility. It seems like more and more people will have to compete wit…

Nobody in their right mind would start a business like this in Europe, with the shadow of the EU threatening with regulating everything and pushing taxes/fines for everything. Just move to a tech hotspot in the US.

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Post by th14row »

anonyfox wrote: post #160
crop_rotation wrote: post #103

What happens to social mobility in the post GPT world. Given that knowledge work (not just software) has been one big option for people to climb the social ladder. If the AI can reasonably do all knowledge work in future, the amount of social climbing opportunities will drastically decrease. And no, UBI will not create more opportunities for social mobility. It seems like more and more people will have to compete wit…

Focussing on the climbing is the core problem I think. Why even do this? We collectlively should own the machines and guarantee just wealth distribution, so that its impossible for a few to have much more than than others. Then every increase in machine work is a great thing for everyone, instead of increasing competition between fewer and fewer people. Europe in itself is (together) the single biggest market/economy…

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Post by machiaweliczny »

j3s wrote: post #344

a mental exercise for the doomsayers: if stackoverflow + search engines were invented today, would you be saying the same stuff? it's clear to me that chatgpt is an programmer accelerator, not a replacement. it's just another tool - a very good one at that. 90% of programming is communicating with other people - chatgpt can't talk to people.

ChatGPT => speech synth => human => whisper

It also can connect to your Notion, Slack or whatever

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Post by ChatGTP »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #337
sharemywin wrote: post #303

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This video kind of scared me even more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBq9sKTKTY

Holy fuck. I don't see how people can see stuff like that and say "oh, it's just a fancy Markov chain generator" or "it can't reason". Even if that stuff is nominally true, how can people not be totally blown away by this? Just a couple years ago I think people would have been amazed that it can have totally natural, grammatically correct conversations. Moreover, for nearly 3/4 of a century the scientific community h…

Did you watch the video ? You got punk’d

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Post by namaria »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #419
namaria wrote: post #415

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You're the only one raising the socialism strawman... Did you ever put beers into those fridges? Or just took them? Because that's what looting is.

Socialism is literally looting people who have stuff and handing it out to others. I didn't have money nor beer and they were supposedly socialists, so I gave accordingly to my ability and took according to my needs. I guess Socialism is always nicer when you see yourself on the receiving end. We are both in the top 1% of the world, so we'd be giving away pretty much all we have.

Did you offer to labor at the best of your skills for them? Did you need the beer? The comparison is risible.

You have no idea how I live to make claims about my political inclinations.

Then again I never advocated socialism, and you're fighting a shadow.

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Post by illiarian »

raincole wrote: post #257
illiarian wrote: post #217

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> For one, I have not seen GPT4 ever use non existent APIs. Have you asked it to use any API that appeared after September 2021 (that's the cut off date for its data)? Have you asked it to write code in less popular languages (e.g. Elixir)? Have you asked it to write code for less popular or unavailable APIs (smart TV integrations)?

How do you know GPT4's cut off date...? I mean it says that, but it can totally be it "learned" its (supposed) cut off date from the GPT3.5 output all over the internet, right?

> How do you know GPT4's cut off date...?

"GPT-4 generally lacks knowledge of events that have occurred after the vast majority of its pre-training data cuts off in September 202110, and does not learn from its experience."

GPT-4 paper, page 10: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.08774.pdf

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by illiarian »

crop_rotation wrote: post #246
illiarian wrote: post #217

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> For one, I have not seen GPT4 ever use non existent APIs. Have you asked it to use any API that appeared after September 2021 (that's the cut off date for its data)? Have you asked it to write code in less popular languages (e.g. Elixir)? Have you asked it to write code for less popular or unavailable APIs (smart TV integrations)?

I have used it to write Nim and Zig code (both not too popular languages). I also asked it to write using non existent but plausible sounding APIs, and it flat out says "As of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021, I have no knowledge ...." Ae you talking about GPT4 or the default ChatGPT?

I've seen similar claims about GPT 3.5 and Copilot, so I won't hold my breath.

To quote GPT-4 paper:

"GPT-4 generally lacks knowledge of events that have occurred after the vast majority of its pre-training data cuts off in September 202110, and does not learn from its experience. It can sometimes make simple reasoning errors which do not seem to comport with competence across so many domains, or be overly gullible in accepting obviously false statements from a user. It can fail at hard problems the same way humans do, such as introducing security vulnerabilities into code it produces.

GPT-4 can also be confidently wrong in its predictions, not taking care to double-check work when it’s likely to make a mistake".

> I also asked it to write using non existent but plausible sounding APIs, and it flat out says "As of my knowledge cutoff

Ask it to write a deep integration with Samsung TV or Google Cast. My bet is that it will imagine non-existent APIs (as those APIs are partly unpopular and partly closed under NDAs)

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by mcculley »

RivieraKid wrote: post #330
mcculley wrote: post #308

I am currently doing some difficult work that involves figuring out the right computational geometry algorithms to apply to my dataset in order to get the answers my users need in a reasonable time. ChatGPT is of no use to me there. When I need to ask for boilerplate code for fetching a web resource or using a well-defined API, ChatGPT is great. ChatGPT has made the mundane plumbing a lot easier. It is a threat to pl…

Are you using GPT 3.5 or GPT-4? It's a huge difference.

I am using GPT-4. It is much better. But I still haven’t had it suggest any new algorithms. It just riffs on what it was trained on, as expected.

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Post by tjvc »

dopeboy wrote: post #81

I appreciate this article and can sympathize with the disorientation the author and many here at HN feel. It can feel unnerving to know that parts of our jobs might become automated. I'm processing this news in realtime like many of you and forming a plan: 1. Understand how LLMs work. I've heard the Wolfram paper is good; open to more suggestions here. 2. Continue to practice using real implementations of LLMs includ…

I think this is a good take. I hope to do the same.

For the understanding part, Andrej Karpathy has a YouTube playlist that explains neural networks. I made a start on it today and found it quite accessible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMj-3S1tku0&list=PLAqhIrjkxb...

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Post by KrugerDunnings »

atq2119 wrote: post #371
sirsinsalot wrote: post #147

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Highly paid middle class white male (statistically) compares his existence to the brutal oppression of women in a fictional book. What insight!

Their username is target fitting.

This is what we in the comedy business call making fun of someone making fun. I call myself Krugger Dunning as an obvious play on the Dunnings Krugger effect because I try to approach every topic from a point of epistemic humility and in part that means being self-aware enough to realise I might just be a total idiot. The hard work has been done by me in reflecting on my shortcoming as a person and I try to show my weaknesses openly with all of you in the hope we can find within them our common humanity, while you just issue cheap insults.
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