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namaria wrote: post #403
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #398

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You wanna tell me how you got from not wanting socialism to not paying taxes? Or do you think taxation is socialism? And while we are here obviously I do my best to pay as little taxes as possible, but due to where I live I do end up paying more than 30% of my salary in taxes.

Are you gonna explain how you went from 'co-ownership and better wealth distribution' to 'ok then give me 10% of your paycheck'?

Socialism is splitting your shit. Learn your philosophy. This is like how students at my colleges "socialist party nights" always got angry when I took beers out of their fridge. That's literally what socialism is.

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Post by kledru »

angarg12 wrote: post #158

Last week I used ChatGPT for the first time for a real world task at work. It was a self-contained lambda function to perform some admin tasks, so it seemed like an ideal fit. Although the experience was good, it's far from the end of programmers. This was my experience: * Although ChatGPT is pretty good at generating code, it kept making simple mistakes such as calling non-existing APIs or introducing bugs. Some of…

The self-confidence of people who dismiss it after having tried it once is impressive. Having said that, I do not think it is the end of programmers, only some of them.

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

namaria wrote: post #393
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #375

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We are no where near that. We don't even yet have AIs that can write better code than random college student googling. We will need to crack fusion (or some other way of creating "free" electricity) and then 3D printers that can convert energy into matter and then slap AGI on top of it and we are in post scarcity society where robots can do everything. If you miss any one of thous things you won't get there.

There will never be anything free. We always have to pay with labor. But maybe we should share the fruits of labor more equally instead of giving most of it to someone who has some documents they got from their parents.

It is always easy to demand more from the people who are better off than you and attribute their success on luck, be it heretical or not.

I am not going to say that I haven't been more privileged than most of the people on the planet. My ancestors made my country into what it is which gave me free education, low corruption, and in general a good start in life. However there are also a lot of people who had the same start as I did, but managed to squander it on the way.

Everyone should absolutely have equal opportunities in life. Education should be free for everyone. Bare human necessities should be taken care of no matter what you do. But I do not agree that everyone should have equal outcome no matter what.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by namaria »

asdff wrote: post #244
dopeboy wrote: post #65

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I agree, it is disorienting. I think the best thing one can do is learn how LLMs work, acquaint themselves with real implementations of it (ChatGPT, copilot), and then find ways to integrate these techniques into their companies.

Or that could be a way to end up in the woods. What if you made a bet like this on metaverse being the future? You'd be wishing you hadn't now. Instead, look at the job postings for titles you want. Note the skills in demand at more than one job. Focus on those skills. There's your set of skills the market currently is in demand of.

>Instead, look at the job postings for titles you want. Note the skills in demand at more than one job. Focus on those skills

While I agree with the sentiment, there is way too much noise in that channel. Job listings written by non-technical people just throwing key words together, recruiters detached from specific roles and companies trying signalling growth to mention just a few sources of confusion...

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Post by namaria »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #411
namaria wrote: post #403

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Are you gonna explain how you went from 'co-ownership and better wealth distribution' to 'ok then give me 10% of your paycheck'?

Socialism is splitting your shit. Learn your philosophy. This is like how students at my colleges "socialist party nights" always got angry when I took beers out of their fridge. That's literally what socialism is.

You're the only one raising the socialism strawman...

Did you ever put beers into those fridges? Or just took them? Because that's what looting is.

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Post by m3kw9 »

There has never been a case where better tools mean less software developers, software will only get more complex and full featured as competitions raise because of it

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Post by namaria »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #413
namaria wrote: post #393

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There will never be anything free. We always have to pay with labor. But maybe we should share the fruits of labor more equally instead of giving most of it to someone who has some documents they got from their parents.

It is always easy to demand more from the people who are better off than you and attribute their success on luck, be it heretical or not. I am not going to say that I haven't been more privileged than most of the people on the planet. My ancestors made my country into what it is which gave me free education, low corruption, and in general a good start in life. However there are also a lot of people who had the same s…

>But I do not agree that everyone should have equal outcome no matter what.

Same here. I never said that that should happen.

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Post by canadianfella »

thequadehunter wrote: post #384
angarg12 wrote: post #158

Last week I used ChatGPT for the first time for a real world task at work. It was a self-contained lambda function to perform some admin tasks, so it seemed like an ideal fit. Although the experience was good, it's far from the end of programmers. This was my experience: * Although ChatGPT is pretty good at generating code, it kept making simple mistakes such as calling non-existing APIs or introducing bugs. Some of…

TBH, the most useful thing it does for me is write my boilerplate code and tedious statements. That's infinitely more useful than the knowledge stuff. The other day I was working with the Cisco Meraki API...I knew exactly what the script needed to do, but the calls were tedious and I didn't feel like learning the names of all the JSON columns, so I just had ChatGPT do it. I had to fix a couple mistakes, but the 20 mi…

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Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

namaria wrote: post #415
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #411

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Socialism is splitting your shit. Learn your philosophy. This is like how students at my colleges "socialist party nights" always got angry when I took beers out of their fridge. That's literally what socialism is.

You're the only one raising the socialism strawman... Did you ever put beers into those fridges? Or just took them? Because that's what looting is.

Socialism is literally looting people who have stuff and handing it out to others. I didn't have money nor beer and they were supposedly socialists, so I gave accordingly to my ability and took according to my needs.

I guess Socialism is always nicer when you see yourself on the receiving end. We are both in the top 1% of the world, so we'd be giving away pretty much all we have.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by thequadehunter »

Jevon23 wrote: post #46
DethNinja wrote: post #14

I don’t get the overall doom and gloom towards LLMs on the software field. If you are a software engineer, this will output your productivity ten fold on the upcoming years. Now you don’t need to hire junior devs and can just build the product of your dreams with very limited capital. In my opinion this technology will be as democratising as the YouTube’s early days. Instead of worrying, learn to work with it. It wil…

I really don’t want my productivity to increase. Worst case scenario is that it gets SO good at writing code that software engineering teams are severely downsized or are made obsolete altogether, and I find myself out of a job. I’m not expecting UBI to start falling out of the sky any time soon, especially while there are still manual labor jobs that robots can’t do. Alternative scenario is that individual developer…

I can't see the first case ever happening. You'd need a whooooole lot of trust in AI systems to have it write all the code.

As for the latter...I'd say GPT has increased my productivity and therefore allowed me to focus on the more interesting aspects of my work, rather than writing annoying boilerplate code and doing boring tasks where I don't learn anything. I almost never write my own boilerplate anymore.

More productivity doesn't necesarily mean more work. It does mean more focus on interesting work.

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