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Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by namaria »

tomp wrote: post #192
anonyfox wrote: post #160

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Focussing on the climbing is the core problem I think. Why even do this? We collectlively should own the machines and guarantee just wealth distribution, so that its impossible for a few to have much more than than others. Then every increase in machine work is a great thing for everyone, instead of increasing competition between fewer and fewer people. Europe in itself is (together) the single biggest market/economy…

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>Is it "just" that someone who drinks and parties all the time "owns" the same amount as someone who works and saves for 20 years?

You mean kinda like capitalism? Where people born into wealth just party and drink all the time and own 10^10 times more then someone who works and saves for 40+ years?

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by namaria »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #370
anonyfox wrote: post #160

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Focussing on the climbing is the core problem I think. Why even do this? We collectlively should own the machines and guarantee just wealth distribution, so that its impossible for a few to have much more than than others. Then every increase in machine work is a great thing for everyone, instead of increasing competition between fewer and fewer people. Europe in itself is (together) the single biggest market/economy…

>We collectlively should own the machines and guarantee just wealth distribution, so that its impossible for a few to have much more than than others. OK, put your money where your mouth is and send me 10% of your pay check.

OK, put your money where your mouth is and stop paying taxes

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by namaria »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #375
aqme28 wrote: post #294

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> Is it "just" that someone who drinks and parties all the time "owns" the same amount as someone who works and saves for 20 years? If AI is doing all the work, what does it matter anymore?

We are no where near that. We don't even yet have AIs that can write better code than random college student googling. We will need to crack fusion (or some other way of creating "free" electricity) and then 3D printers that can convert energy into matter and then slap AGI on top of it and we are in post scarcity society where robots can do everything. If you miss any one of thous things you won't get there.

There will never be anything free. We always have to pay with labor. But maybe we should share the fruits of labor more equally instead of giving most of it to someone who has some documents they got from their parents.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by afro88 »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #383
afro88 wrote: post #376

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Huh. 2 days ago I built 3 significant internal tools for my company that automated important workflows for our growth, in a language that I rarely use (js), in 4 hours. Something we have been putting off for months because we figured it would take a week or two. It was an exhilarating experience. Yesterday I got a complex data structure out of it in 1h that we'd been talking about but not implementing because it woul…

So wait, just to be clear, you deployed production code in a language you don't use regularly? And this is a good thing? This is supposed to take programming jobs? HN is incredible.

Who said anything about production code in a language I don't use regularly?

Internal tools that automate 3 workflows we'd been doing manually. 2 node scripts and a super simple web app exposed on our private network.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by ROTMetro »

thisoneworks wrote: post #281
crop_rotation wrote: post #103

What happens to social mobility in the post GPT world. Given that knowledge work (not just software) has been one big option for people to climb the social ladder. If the AI can reasonably do all knowledge work in future, the amount of social climbing opportunities will drastically decrease. And no, UBI will not create more opportunities for social mobility. It seems like more and more people will have to compete wit…

You hit the nail on the head. GPT/copilot in some sense is democratization of specialized knowledge. Now on one end you'll have product engineers/managers prompt gpt to write boilerplate code of all kind, on the other end you'll have senior engineers reviewing, optimizing writing specialized code. Where do junior engineers fit? Can you be a full stack engineer? I believe it'll squeeze out all the could-be devs out of…

And then your senior engineer class ages out and you are left with who? You need a ladder to create that senior class in the first place.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by foobarian »

devjab wrote: post #265
idopmstuff wrote: post #247

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I'm a PM who is relatively technical, but I haven't written more than a few lines of code (stuff like minor modifications to my Shopify site) in a decade. I saw a bunch of people talking about how GPT helped them code stuff on Twitter, so I thought I'd give it a try. Right now I'm building a sort of simple, mock version of the type of software that integrates with my company's APIs. I've successfully managed to creat…

One of the reasons I'm not blown away is that everything we've tasked it to do has resulted in rather terrible answers. A lot of them outright didn't work. When they did, the way GPT created our solutions were often in a way that wouldn't work well over time. Unfortunately you wouldn't necessarily know that unless you really know your tools. In many ways, this isn't too different from people performing brute-force pr…

I think your parent is on to something: it won't be the programmers trusting GPT a little too much, it will be the PMs, and there won't be a programmer :-)

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by helf »

idopmstuff wrote: post #247
angarg12 wrote: post #158

Last week I used ChatGPT for the first time for a real world task at work. It was a self-contained lambda function to perform some admin tasks, so it seemed like an ideal fit. Although the experience was good, it's far from the end of programmers. This was my experience: * Although ChatGPT is pretty good at generating code, it kept making simple mistakes such as calling non-existing APIs or introducing bugs. Some of…

I'm a PM who is relatively technical, but I haven't written more than a few lines of code (stuff like minor modifications to my Shopify site) in a decade. I saw a bunch of people talking about how GPT helped them code stuff on Twitter, so I thought I'd give it a try. Right now I'm building a sort of simple, mock version of the type of software that integrates with my company's APIs. I've successfully managed to creat…

Honestly, it seems the people most blown away by things like this are people who haven’t much experience in the various fields.

It’s easy to get amazed by something that can halfway do something you can’t do at all automatically. But as others have pointed out, it’s not that great at it and not knowing enough to do it yourself means you don’t know enough to catch and fix bugs.

So this move to using chatgpt and similar in production by people who otherwise wouldn’t be able to do things in production is worrisome, imo.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

namaria wrote: post #392
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #370

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>We collectlively should own the machines and guarantee just wealth distribution, so that its impossible for a few to have much more than than others. OK, put your money where your mouth is and send me 10% of your pay check.

OK, put your money where your mouth is and stop paying taxes

You wanna tell me how you got from not wanting socialism to not paying taxes? Or do you think taxation is socialism?

And while we are here obviously I do my best to pay as little taxes as possible, but due to where I live I do end up paying more than 30% of my salary in taxes.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by [deleted] »

KrugerDunnings wrote: post #77

Working as a software engineer I often feels like I am living in the world of the Handmaidens Tale as a women with a functioning womb where the hole of society is organised around controlling everything I do. Hopefully LLM will change this but I do not underestimate the intellectual laziness of most "knowledge workers"

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Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by ROTMetro »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #381
Jevon23 wrote: post #46

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I really don’t want my productivity to increase. Worst case scenario is that it gets SO good at writing code that software engineering teams are severely downsized or are made obsolete altogether, and I find myself out of a job. I’m not expecting UBI to start falling out of the sky any time soon, especially while there are still manual labor jobs that robots can’t do. Alternative scenario is that individual developer…

>I really don’t want my productivity to increase. >...and I find myself out of a job. Tell me you are the problem in the industry without telling me you are the problem in the industry.

Nope, just a human being who wants to be a human being.
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