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Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

Jevon23 wrote: post #46
DethNinja wrote: post #14

I don’t get the overall doom and gloom towards LLMs on the software field. If you are a software engineer, this will output your productivity ten fold on the upcoming years. Now you don’t need to hire junior devs and can just build the product of your dreams with very limited capital. In my opinion this technology will be as democratising as the YouTube’s early days. Instead of worrying, learn to work with it. It wil…

I really don’t want my productivity to increase. Worst case scenario is that it gets SO good at writing code that software engineering teams are severely downsized or are made obsolete altogether, and I find myself out of a job. I’m not expecting UBI to start falling out of the sky any time soon, especially while there are still manual labor jobs that robots can’t do. Alternative scenario is that individual developer…

>I really don’t want my productivity to increase.

>...and I find myself out of a job.

Tell me you are the problem in the industry without telling me you are the problem in the industry.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by ipatec »

olalonde wrote: post #80
Jevon23 wrote: post #46

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I really don’t want my productivity to increase. Worst case scenario is that it gets SO good at writing code that software engineering teams are severely downsized or are made obsolete altogether, and I find myself out of a job. I’m not expecting UBI to start falling out of the sky any time soon, especially while there are still manual labor jobs that robots can’t do. Alternative scenario is that individual developer…

I'm sure secretaries had similar thoughts about the arrival of personal computers. Yet, few would argue that computers have made the world a worse place. The truth is people will do less work, or it will feel like it. Most of our ancestors did not have the comfortable software jobs we have today. Life will become easier, products and services will become more abundant. Of course, the transition will be harder for tho…

Most of our ancestors actually had less stressful jobs and worked less than we do today. The average agricultural worker 100 years ago was not even doing a part-time in terms of time spent doing actual work. More like 2h/day on average.

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Post by krainboltgreene »

afro88 wrote: post #376
angarg12 wrote: post #158

Last week I used ChatGPT for the first time for a real world task at work. It was a self-contained lambda function to perform some admin tasks, so it seemed like an ideal fit. Although the experience was good, it's far from the end of programmers. This was my experience: * Although ChatGPT is pretty good at generating code, it kept making simple mistakes such as calling non-existing APIs or introducing bugs. Some of…

Huh. 2 days ago I built 3 significant internal tools for my company that automated important workflows for our growth, in a language that I rarely use (js), in 4 hours. Something we have been putting off for months because we figured it would take a week or two. It was an exhilarating experience. Yesterday I got a complex data structure out of it in 1h that we'd been talking about but not implementing because it woul…

So wait, just to be clear, you deployed production code in a language you don't use regularly? And this is a good thing?

This is supposed to take programming jobs?

HN is incredible.

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Post by thequadehunter »

angarg12 wrote: post #158

Last week I used ChatGPT for the first time for a real world task at work. It was a self-contained lambda function to perform some admin tasks, so it seemed like an ideal fit. Although the experience was good, it's far from the end of programmers. This was my experience: * Although ChatGPT is pretty good at generating code, it kept making simple mistakes such as calling non-existing APIs or introducing bugs. Some of…

TBH, the most useful thing it does for me is write my boilerplate code and tedious statements. That's infinitely more useful than the knowledge stuff.

The other day I was working with the Cisco Meraki API...I knew exactly what the script needed to do, but the calls were tedious and I didn't feel like learning the names of all the JSON columns, so I just had ChatGPT do it. I had to fix a couple mistakes, but the 20 minutes it took was better than having to read all the documentation.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by namaria »

green_man_lives wrote: post #186
rhn_mk1 wrote: post #173

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Luddites failed the first time around. What could they do this time to succeed?

The first time around (and every subsequent time) the tools used for production, lets call them capital, made laborers more efficient and cheapened goods and drove wages up (mostly). In all of these cases there was still the need for a laborer. At a point when all labor is obsolete there will be literally no method of survival for anyone who doesn't own the "compute capital". The two options will be to let everyone s…

Laborers are not fungible you know. There is plenty of evidence of lives ruined by industrial change.

The fact that the net result is positive doesn't mean that everyone profits equally. Having lived in capitalistic societies should have made that clear already.

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Post by CapstanRoller »

raincole wrote: post #273
crop_rotation wrote: post #258

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The model repeats it all the time "As of my knowledge cutoff date"

Yes, and this fact doesn't tell me anything, as I know LLM is completely capable to say things that aren't true.

That claim doesn't come from ChatGPT, it comes from OpenAI themselves.

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Post by krainboltgreene »

vehementi wrote: post #338
devjab wrote: post #265

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One of the reasons I'm not blown away is that everything we've tasked it to do has resulted in rather terrible answers. A lot of them outright didn't work. When they did, the way GPT created our solutions were often in a way that wouldn't work well over time. Unfortunately you wouldn't necessarily know that unless you really know your tools. In many ways, this isn't too different from people performing brute-force pr…

> everything we've tasked it to do has resulted in rather terrible answers Maybe this is the chatGPT equivalent of "learning to google search properly". You got bad answers, but maybe someone more competent at chatGPT prompts and workflow would have gotten to a better solution more quickly, and we need to figure out what that means

I've never seen so many people grinding to make an autocomplete engine produce "better solutions" to randomized output.

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Post by namaria »

the_only_law wrote: post #195
bitcoin_anon wrote: post #193

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> At a point when all labor is obsolete there will be literally no method of survival for anyone who doesn't own the "compute capital". How about subsistence farming?

Maybe, but they still need a different type of capital. Unless property rights stop being enforced, where are all the people who don’t own land, or people who don’t own arable land supposed to farm? Are we bringing back manorialism?

Considering I am mostly obliged to rent land where I can perform work so I can use my salary to pay my rent just makes me feel like I live in some sort of distributed virtual manor to be honest.

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Post by somethingreen »

Nemi wrote: post #135
throwawayai2 wrote: post #24

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What happens when no junior devs are hired for 5 years? Who works their way up to replace the seniors who are leaving?

Is there a scenario where just the people that REALLY love programming start in the field? Could this be a situation where you reduce the field of programmers to only those that are truly passionate about programming, thus making the people left in the field the cream of the crop? We have all worked with individuals that are clearly in the field because they think they can make a lot of money and don’t give a crap ab…

If there is a way to produce senior software engineers without years of work experience, why aren't we doing it now?

Re: Post-GPT Computing

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Post by namaria »

margorczynski wrote: post #325
anonyfox wrote: post #184

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french revolution and socialist revolutions went different. its not preventing the machines, its strictly solving the problem of who owns them - fairly easy thing. It "only" needs to build up a bit more suffering for the masses until this naturally happens again.

The thing is then the people in power were reliant on other people to provide force. What happens when the tech-overlords and government cliques put their hands on perfect robot AI slaves which are completely superior to humans when it comes to fighting?

Kill bot enforced gated communities and a free for all outside, naturally. Maybe in due time we have a second industrial revolution and rebuild modern society ourselves...
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