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Hello Dolly: Democratizing the magic of ChatGPT with open models

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Re: Hello Dolly: Democratizing the magic of ChatGPT with open models

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> There is no way around the bitter lesson. Isn't there? I'm certainly not sure, based on the results published over the last weeks and months. The giant GPT-{3.5,4} models show that if you make the model big enough and throw enough data at it you can produce an AI capable of conversing on basically any topic, in dozens of languages. There are plenty of different takes on how near-human its abilities are on specific…

Very good analysis. I disagree with a fundamental point though: If you don't consider compute cost and just want the best possible AGI, then there's nothing stopping you from supercharging the mega-models with the same capabilities as the smaller models - and if the current scaling shows anything, the mega models will just become even better.

> If you don't consider compute cost [...]

Yes, but what if you do? Imagine your hyper-specialzied API-heavy model takes 10x less resources to answer a question (or at least a question relevant to the task at hand) Won't it be more powerful to have a model that can run 10 times as fast (or run 10 instances in parallel)?

What if the ratio turns out to be 100x or 1000x?

So I agree that the cutting edge of "best possible AGI" might mean building the largest models we can train on massive clusters of computers and then run on high-end hardware. My hunch, though, is that models that can be run on cheap hardware and then "swarmed" on a problem space will be even more powerful in what they can perform in aggregate.

Again, it's just my hunch but right now I think everybody's predictions are hunches.

I'll actually go one bit further: even for a linear task that can't be "swarmed" in the same way, it could be that cheaper-per-token models could even do better on linear problem-solving tasks. Existing models already have the ability to use randomness to give more "creative", if less reliable, answers. This is inherently parallelizable though -- in fact Bard seems to be exposing this in its UI in the form of multiple "drafts". So what if you just ran 100 copies of your cheap-AI against a problem and then had one cheap-AI (or maybe a medium-AI) judge the results?

Or at the risk of a getting too anthropomorphic about it: imagine you as a human are writing a program and you get stuck on a tricky bit -- you know that the problem should be solvable but you've never doing anything similar and don't know what algorithm to start with. Suppose then you could tell your brain "Temporarily fork off 100 copies of yourself. 10 of them go do a literature review of every CS paper you can find related to this topic. 10 of you search for open source programs that might have a similar need and try to determine how their code does it. The other 80 of you just stare off into the middle distance and try to think of a creative solution. In two human-seconds write a summary of your best idea and exit. I'll then read them all and see if I/we are closer to understanding what to do next"

For us, this type of mental process is so alien we can't even imagine what it would feel like to be able to do. It might come completely natural to an AI, though.

Re: Hello Dolly: Democratizing the magic of ChatGPT with open models

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Are they pulling a Facebook, on model access?

I think they are dodging unclear legal issues surrounding certain steps of the model-building process while being as open as possible with the components given that constraint, allowing downstream users to make their own legal risk vs. effort choices.

Yes, this.

Re: Hello Dolly: Democratizing the magic of ChatGPT with open models

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> when OpenAi is supposed to be the ones open sourcing and sharing their work? OpenAI renounced being open source. Don't let the name fool you.

I think all of the "AI alignment" talk is mostly fearmongering. It's a cunningly smart way to get ignorant people scared enough of AI so they have no choice but to trust the OpenAI overlords when they say they need AI to be closed. Then OpenAI gets a free pass to be the gatekeeper of the model, and people stop questioning the fact that they went from Open to Closed. AI being tuned to be "safe" by an exceedingly small…

I don't know what press releases you've been reading, but the model is closed so they can make money off it, that's pretty obvious.

Re: Hello Dolly: Democratizing the magic of ChatGPT with open models

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Anyone care to comment on why the output of these models changes so dramatically given so little Q&A training? It's a 6 billion parameter model with only 50 thousand Q&A samples. It's clear the model already "knows" the format of a Tweet (short length, attention-grabbing, contains hashtags). The model also knows stuff about language models (word2vec, tokenization), and can include entities from the question in its re…

Yes this was a very surprising result... that the relatively small uptraining was able to unlock so much latent knowledge in the model.

Re: Hello Dolly: Democratizing the magic of ChatGPT with open models

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Awesome thank you! Was the Alpaca dataset being licensed as non-commercial only the reason you aren't releasing the weights? Is it possible to just release them under the same license?

Yes the issue is that some of the training data is arguably tainted with some noncommercial license (it's nuanced, discussed below in my comment). We are releasing weights to people who request but we just wanted to have an email request flow so that we can make sure people know it's just for noncommercial purposes. Working on a model without this issue. Certainly our goal is totally open models anyone can use for an…

Understandable, thank you for the response!

I've been a bit jaded by the "open/democratizing ai" stuff and then having companies stiff us at actually making it open - but not wanting to be the first to litigate these new types of issues ml brings is very understandable.

Question - Would you consider benchmarking a single 4090 for your training? While training in a few hours with 8x A100's is impressive, myself and I think others are curious how that translates to consumer hardware. IMO running/fine-tuning on consumer hardware is the ultimate endgame for all ai models.

Re: Hello Dolly: Democratizing the magic of ChatGPT with open models

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AFAIK DALL-E is pronounced as Dalí, as in Salvador Dalí. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Dal%C3%AD

It's quite clearly a reference to WALL-E the environmentally conscious robot, which is pronounced as you'd expect. I like to think of it as DALL-E the surrealist robot painter.

That is exactly my interpretation. Both wall-e and Dalí. I think we are in agreement.

Re: Hello Dolly: Democratizing the magic of ChatGPT with open models

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I don’t love the lack of quantitative comparison to Alpaca but a commercial model (which sounds like it’s in the works) would finally move the needle on democratizing access to LLMs.

Will also commend the authors for not falling into the “LLMs can’t perform without 200B params!” fallacy. For anyone reading, 6B params is enough to train on a 3090. A PC rig for training or running inference with this would put you back maybe 4k$.

The end game here is likely getting the model to perform well in millions of parameters on specific tasks. Most business uses of ChatGPT are pretty closed domain tasks, it wouldn’t be a huge step to distill this model on a specific task and get it down to 150-350M params (which is roughly BART size and can run on AWS Lambda even).

Re: Hello Dolly: Democratizing the magic of ChatGPT with open models

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AI and high-performance semiconductors are the only technological fields where the US and allies haven't been surpassed by Russia and China. There is probably a lot of political pressure on OpenAI to be as closed as possible. Remember the US government has banned Nvidia from exporting A100/H100 to China/Russia. Those are the same chips OpenAI uses for both training and inference.

Anyone in China/Russia who can comment on the actual situation? How difficult is it to train/run AI models where you are living?

Russia is simply importing A100s through shell companies in UAE.

Re: Hello Dolly: Democratizing the magic of ChatGPT with open models

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Yes the issue is that some of the training data is arguably tainted with some noncommercial license (it's nuanced, discussed below in my comment). We are releasing weights to people who request but we just wanted to have an email request flow so that we can make sure people know it's just for noncommercial purposes. Working on a model without this issue. Certainly our goal is totally open models anyone can use for an…

Understandable, thank you for the response! I've been a bit jaded by the "open/democratizing ai" stuff and then having companies stiff us at actually making it open - but not wanting to be the first to litigate these new types of issues ml brings is very understandable. Question - Would you consider benchmarking a single 4090 for your training? While training in a few hours with 8x A100's is impressive, myself and I…

Look forward to a response. We are heading toward a 6X Bizon 4090 system as a test bed.

https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx5500.html

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