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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by bornfreddy »

gtm1260 wrote: post #91
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

My mental model has totally shifted to the point where even like dealing with stack overflow feels like a pain compared to just asking gpt-4.

Interesting - do you find the results trustworthy?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by selimthegrim »

jeffbee wrote: post #112
AviationAtom wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those old enough to remember, it's exactly the reason why Google took Yahoo's place back when.

Not really. Yahoo was selling every search result slot. There was no quality to it at all. It was all paid.

AltaVista wasn’t terrible.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by noah_buddy »

bradly wrote: post #142
culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

Here is what I have asked it the past few days with great results: - What is the trim stop attachment that comes with the Festool DF 500 used for? - What are some options for water for a home with no municiple water or well access? - What dimensions drawer should I make when using 18" Blum Blumotion full extension drawer slides if the drawer opening is 20 inches wide, 18 inches deep and seven inches tall? - Can the s…

You have touched on something I am incredibly excited about. ChatGPT is going to do away with a lot of the intro level questions you ask researching certain sorts of technical problems, especially as it becomes better able to understand images. ChatGPT removes the need for you to ever open a manual (unless you want a deep understanding).

How do I turn off this feature in my car?

How do I replace the fan in my fridge’s compressor?

Why is windows repair not working in this scenario with this PC?

This tool is going to be incredibly deflationary in many services geared around repair when now it can tell you almost exactly what to do and soon it’ll be able to produce videos or images of each step on demand.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by _hypx »

AviationAtom wrote: post #138
_hypx wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what can replace Google? Is there another search engine with stunningly relevant results like the early days of Google?

Bing is on it's way in that direction. Microsoft needed something big to make Bing relevant again. This could potentially be it. Will they eat all of Google's lunch? Probably not, but if they can begin to chip away at the insane share (93%+) of the marketplace that Google controls, then it can only be for the betterment of the Internet.

Bing doesn't seem any better than Google though. I was thinking of something that gives you a dramatically superior result than Google.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by bentcorner »

Invictus0 wrote: post #30
culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

Yup, and maybe we're just getting old. There are still people on HN complaining about Google removing the OR and AND modifiers, meanwhile the younger generations write queries like "where should I eat breakfast today"

I used to try to be surgical with my queries but I've given up and just type a question at my search engine because if that's what they want as a query well they're going to get it.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by user3939382 »

culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

For me it’s not even theoretical. I’ve already wasted my time trying to sus out subtle garbage mixed into its answers. It’s the same reason I stopped using copilot. I don’t need or want that.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by neilv »

Given how overwhelmingly important Google Search has been to Google/Alphabet, are they going to have to start thinking more like a scrappy startup focused on shared goals, and less like a massive entrenched institution that will tend to get steered by careers, OKRs, and promo packets?

Or can the existing structure be steered well enough towards good outcomes?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by O1111OOO »

gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

> Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want.

Agreed but tbf... every major search engine seems to suffer from the same.

I cannot recommend enough the 'ContextSearch web-ext' extension. It lets you easily search using any search provider. I constantly (1) highlight text (2) right-click (3) select search provider (from youtube to reddit to bing) (Note: my default is DDG):

Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/contextsearch...

Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/contextsearch-web-...

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by LegionMammal978 »

manfre wrote: post #123
xnx wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also get the same result when logged-in and incognito. Others in the thread seem to get them also.

Google knows it's you if you did all of that from the same computer.

Google is more than capable of doing such basic fingerprinting, but do you have evidence Google uses it for search results? You can do a trivial experiment on another Google platform: open some video on YouTube, leave it, and look at the front page. Then, look at the YouTube front page in a private/incognito tab. (Alternatively, use two different private sessions.) In my experience, no matter what device or network I use, and no matter what the video was, the first page will always show videos related to the one I opened, and the second will always show an extremely generic set of clickbaity videos (likely based on GeoIP). This suggests that Google uses ordinary cookies for basic relevancy ranking.
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