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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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I would probably switch after decades of thinkpads (and one Mac I just didn't like) if they offered a model with AMD chip, a good keyboard, Trackpoint, and OLED display.

OLED is a tall order, unless there happens to be an existing (tablet?) display thats just the right size for their frames.

Hmm there are quite a few 16" OLEDs on the market these days, I assume there is a common size for '16".' I'm hoping not to upgrade for another year, so will see then.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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While having hardware compatibility issues suck, I'm not sure what your problems have to do with AMD's mobile APUs, which have their USB2/3/4 controllers implemented on-die (block diagram: https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2021/12/AMD-Rembrandt-Diagram.j... ) not using an external controller. USB features depend ultimately on the laptop manufacturers' implementation (eg neither the HP or Lenovo models linked implement USB…

Glad to hear that! My 8-core AMD laptop from ASUS with 3080 is almost 2 years old now so things might have changed. My Threadripper still has USB issues and I don't like e.g. inability to type text or move mouse for 10-20 seconds just because the USB controller on the most expensive Threadripper board decides to have a game of disconnects.

Again, I agree that hardware compatibility issues suck... Personally, I think life's too short to live with glitches like that - ASMedia chips are used in a lot of PCIe USB cards these days as well, but I've had good luck w/ Renasas cards in the recent past (when I was running VFIO). These USB cards are all pretty cheap ($20-40), so I'd order a few to try and keep the one that works the best.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Quick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website. - New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series. - New 61Wh battery, new matte display option & a Cooler Master mainboard case for $39. - New 16 inch Framework laptop. Allows you to have a number pad or not, up to you and customizable. If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs tha…

A standardised laptop GPU connector could be a game changer and would be a killer feature. There have been a few false starts in that space with MXM, but they never really took off. It’s often the first thing people upgrade on a desktop (it’s much more impactful than a RAM and CPU upgrade over the same timeframe), but is rarely an option for laptop users.

Is tb4 not up to the task? I see thunderbolt GPU enclosures by a few major manufacturers.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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It's only a "mother"board if you can plug in daughterboards like graphics, sound or other expansion cards, typically oriented orthogonally to the mother board. That doesn't fit in a laptop form factor, so the term there is usually mainboard as many of the other functionalities have been consolidated onto that one PCB.

Indeed peripherals like printers usually have "mainboards" and not motherboards. Some vendors traditionally use different names, like apple uses "logic board"

Slight nitpick: the full phrasing Apple uses is “main logic board”, so they’re actually (somewhat) in line with the conventional phrasing other vendors use.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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If you pick the DIY option, you can omit the Windows license. You'll have to install Linux yourself, but that doesn't seem like a terribly difficult task for someone already going with the DIY option. I'm guessing they don't want to officially support any specific distro, and offering support for multiple distros is probably a bit outside their wheelhouse at the moment. [e: this is perhaps not the case]

So how about 'No OS preinstalled' option? and allow customers to chose if they want to pay the MS tax or not. Maybe they are not allowed to offer this option? Including any linux distro would be better, because it would show a growing linux desktop market share.

If you pick the DIY version, that is an option. I got mine with no OS preinstalled and no MS tax, and it was easy enough to install Manjaro.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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I’m happy to answer questions that everyone has about what we announced! It may be a little while until I’m able to jump back on though.

Will it be possible to upgrade my current framework laptop to the new 16" form factor? It feels like it should be a possible upgrade, but I haven't seen anything saying that it will be possible, so I'd like to confirm.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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There's no retail way to try a Framework. This might not help you, but I've got a 13" MBP and 13" Framework both in my lap right now and can say if you absolutely can't stand having a laptop that doesn't meet Apple hardware fit and finish, just stick with Apple. The Framework's my daily driver, it's nice but not exceptional, and feels like the $1,000 laptop it is. The value for me is entirely inside of it. This work-…

I've never had a mac last less than 4 years, and the ones > 4 years old just become my backups. I doubt Framework laptops will find themselves with similar lifespans.

When I say my Mac will more likely be in a landfill, I mean it's a managed machine that my employer will write off and send away for "recycling", and it's an M1 that's already queued for replacement with an M2.

If Framework keeps going, it might be a Theseus situation, but it'll probably be on its fourth or fifth mainboard and second battery in 6 years. TCO to me on the Framework and my employer for the Mac will be about the same.

The Macs will be nicer all around. They'll also more likely be literal garbage because of management policies.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Incorrect. No problem to put /boot on a raid1 on a small partition across all drives, so that any drive can boot, and no problem to even include a whole self-contained remotely accessible recovery os. It's a little bit more work to set up, but if you are professing a need for that, then a little extra setup is de rigueur. I remotely administered a ton of linux boxes in racks scattered across the US like that for year…

> Incorrect Did you even read my comment? It's quite clear what your environment was in the data-centers, with spares and remote hands. Mine wasn't and then I say three months I don't kid or jest. > No problem to put /boot on a raid1 on a small partition across all drives This is exactly the problem. If the drive isn't totally dead (like it doesn't even respond to IDENT) then there is a chance what the BIOS/UEFI woul…

The house could also burn down. The point was there is nothing hardware raid makes uniquely possible, or even merely better, or even merely equal.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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I couldn't find information on display resolution. Actually "Display" section seems to have been edited out: the section exists but no information in there. Does anyone know why?

I've found the answer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35290207

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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As one of the QMK Firmware maintainers, it's great to see you're going ahead with the customisable side of things even on the input side. Might I suggest engaging with QMK early so that we can avoid the usual manufacturer "hey can you merge this, we've shipped already and forgot to raise the PR until now"?

Absolutely! We’ve been chatting with Jack Humbert, and he’s actually been prototyping an ortholinear keyboard module for the Framework Laptop 16. There are likely some photos of it in press articles about the event today.

If you folks and Jack manage to make the OLKB module a reality, you'll have me vendorlocked for life. I think I'd go so far as buying 3 of those modules just to be extra sure that I'm set with replacement parts.

Uh... completely unrelated question: have you laid out any plans regarding module backcompatibility on future boards?

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