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Post by KrugerDunnings »

sirsinsalot wrote: post #329
KrugerDunnings wrote: post #299

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You know very little about my life and I'd like to keep it this way. One would think that I live in a pure sellers market, but this is not true because of dynamics similar to that in the show. The comparison is clearly hyperbole evident by the use of an absurt fictional situation and not meant to express an equality relationship but one of equivalence (learn category theory bitch). It is very insightful, if you ask m…

Just like how waiting for 10 minutes in Starbucks during my morning commute ... made me feel like a persecuted Jewish prisoner awaiting execution! /s Your original point was ridiculous, tone deaf, offensive and completely without substance other than to wave the victim flag about _something_ I guess? Who knows.

No, you are waiting in line because you want your stupid coffee the jew to be executed does not want to be executed, so no equivalence class here baby.

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Post by dbtc »

illiarian wrote: post #200
komposit wrote: post #181

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This skepticism absolutely baffles me. Have you been using gpt-4? To unlock gpt for real you have to be careful to prompt it correctly and find a way to improve the feedback loop for improving code. It is only a matter of time until tools arrive that integrate this into your development environment and give it access to test/console output such that it can suggest code and iterate over the result. It's not perfect ye…

So... nothing changes. It will be the tool for which you will need to manually construct prompts and clean up output (including imagined non-existent APIs). The availability of a button inside an IDE doesn't make this a fundamental change in how we work

Nothing changes the same way that there is no difference between writing software in assembly and writing it in python.

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Post by forty »

My impression is that those AI code generators, if they end up working well enough that many people who don't know how to code can replace people who do, will be to coders what Monsanto is to farmers, ie we will have tons of devs who don't know how to do their jobs without those proprietary tools, who will struggle to earn enough money (they'll be easy to replace and cheaply paid) to pay for their code generator subscription. I'm not excited. I'm not too worried either though :)

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Post by j3s »

a mental exercise for the doomsayers: if stackoverflow + search engines were invented today, would you be saying the same stuff? it's clear to me that chatgpt is an programmer accelerator, not a replacement. it's just another tool - a very good one at that.

90% of programming is communicating with other people - chatgpt can't talk to people.

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Post by zh3 »

Comparitively, GPT has definltely worked here for less-experienced engineers. A coworker (Mech. E.) last week got ChatGPT to create a python HTTP GET for him and today got it to write the code to drive a bunch of relays off a Pi using I2C. Once he had it working, he sent me a DM "Is 0xFF hex?".

So accelerant, definitely. Beyond that, I'm on the sceptical side but accept there's quite a chance that's the wrong way to bet.

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Post by Jeff_Brown »

Some betting market needs to host bets on when AI will put programmers out of their jobs. I don't expect it to happen for decades. (Although I might bet that it will happen earlier, as insurance in case it does.)

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Post by ilaksh »

komposit wrote: post #181
angarg12 wrote: post #158

Last week I used ChatGPT for the first time for a real world task at work. It was a self-contained lambda function to perform some admin tasks, so it seemed like an ideal fit. Although the experience was good, it's far from the end of programmers. This was my experience: * Although ChatGPT is pretty good at generating code, it kept making simple mistakes such as calling non-existing APIs or introducing bugs. Some of…

This skepticism absolutely baffles me. Have you been using gpt-4? To unlock gpt for real you have to be careful to prompt it correctly and find a way to improve the feedback loop for improving code. It is only a matter of time until tools arrive that integrate this into your development environment and give it access to test/console output such that it can suggest code and iterate over the result. It's not perfect ye…

I am working on this. Broke so have to do odd GPT jobs from Upwork to make ends meet so paused on development. But the front end stuff works. At least as far as skipping copy paste.

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Post by ilaksh »

ollien wrote: post #197
LeoPanthera wrote: post #180

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For what it's worth, that was exactly my experience with GPT-3.5, but GPT-4 is a lot better at generating code. Almost spookily good, at least for some languages. It makes far fewer mistakes.

Maybe the ChatGPT implementation of GPT-4 is different than the one in Bing AI, but I tried to ask Bing AI to write a fairly simple Python-based ini-parser yesterday (and by that I really mean using the built-in configparser module), and while it got a good amount of the way there, but attempted to index a string with a string-key, which was weird. After multiple notices of this mistake, it produced something that _c…

Could be using different temperatures and prompts.
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