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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by detaro »

Invictus0 wrote: post #30
culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

Yup, and maybe we're just getting old. There are still people on HN complaining about Google removing the OR and AND modifiers, meanwhile the younger generations write queries like "where should I eat breakfast today"

Those aren't really exclusive. Different problems, different query types. (I wouldn't quite do the second example like that, but "where can I get food here" is fundamentally different problem than "I hope there is somewhere out there a bootleg copy of the datasheet for this very weird part and no I don't mean any of these 5 easily-confused other things", which is when the lack/ignoring of detailed modifiers drives you up the wall)

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by LeoPanthera »

csdvrx wrote: post #39
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

Sad but true. Google is the new altavista or yahoo.

That's unfair to altavista. Altavista never got evil, they just became irrelevant. (And even when they were irrelevant, they still had a search syntax that I miss. You could search for things like term_a NEAR term_b.)

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by abhv »

This is a case study for an undergrad statistics or responsible journalism class.

* for traffic see the small note "all values rebased to 100" they are likely hiding the significance of the increase

* for the app downloads graph: does the 30x gap say anything? are there seasonal reasons that can explain why every Jan1--Feb4 has more DLs than Feb4--Mar11 ? e.g., new phones?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by gfd »

Animats wrote: post #11

Users have to sign in with a Microsoft account to use this. Is that the future? You have to sign up to search? It takes more resources per query to run AI-based search than a search engine. Everybody offering ChatGPT type systems is either pay per view or heavily throttled. We may be in the last days of free search as the dominant product.

Google's business model is entirely based off the fact that search is great for signaling intent, and that is great for selling ads.

A personalized AI assistant goes WAY beyond that. Whenever you talk to it, it can go into salesman mode to con you into buying shit you don't need.

Surely the economics will work out to still provide "free" searches.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by hbn »

Aperocky wrote: post #2

15.8% boost vs "near 1%" decline. News title at its finest, the "near 1%" must not make it to the title for maximum effect.

The graph showing the deviation from each search engine's 100% baseline is kinda telling considering Bing is all over the place with it actually seeing some traffic, and Google is a consistent up-and-down shape that doesn't seem affected at all by whatever is happening with Bing.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by jvolkman »

gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

I just get results for https://pypi.org/project/micropython-html.parser/. Is this not what you want?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

O__________O wrote: post #42

Might be wrong, but for a long time search results from Google and Bing in blind tests were basically equivalent. Google’s edge has been its brand recognition and consumer search habits.

Also, until recently, Bing's UI was terrible.
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