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Limiting an individual's investment to a maximum of $1000 goes a long way to making sure Grandma doesn't lose her life's savings. As does the requirement for companies to use an Internet intermediary that performs background checks, verifies identity, holds funds in escrow, etc. The world is different from the 1930's.
What's the difference between being able to invest $1000 and $0? That's not helpful to anybody. If I want to invest $30,000, I have to go find 30 startups? That doesn't make any sense.
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#12 H.R.3427 - Startup Technical Assistance for Reemployment
Training and Unemployment Prevention Act
H.R.3571 - Entrepreneur Startup Growth Act of 2011
S.1965 - Startup Act of 2011
S.1826 - Startup Technical Assistance for Reemployment
Training and Unemployment Prevention Act
H.R.2941 - Startup Expansion and Investment Act
H.R.1114 - StartUp Visa Act of 2011
S.565 - StartUp Visa Act of 2011
We need a web service that is more robust than http://www.opencongress.org/ . We need a web service that has proper data mining, visualization, and notification system. The big guys have their lawyers - we need a proper web service. Who can help to build that?Re: Crowd Investing: Wefunder
#13There used to be a time when anyone could sell shares in any company. That didn't work out and so we got the Securities and Exchange Act of 1933. Crowd-funding isn't fatally flawed, but it needs a lot more time to integrate the last 400 years of capital market development history.
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#14We are getting the news too late. Did you know that there are 7 bills that might change how startups operate? H.R.3427 - Startup Technical Assistance for Reemployment Training and Unemployment Prevention Act H.R.3571 - Entrepreneur Startup Growth Act of 2011 S.1965 - Startup Act of 2011 S.1826 - Startup Technical Assistance for Reemployment Training and Unemployment Prevention Act H.R.2941 - Startup Expansion and Inv…
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#15I think the need to stop SOPA and the need to legalize this funding model are apples and oranges. I would love to see some changes to funding laws but many of these laws exist to prevent the defrauding of smaller, less "sophisticated" investors. Simply making the investment legal wouldn't do much without modifying the disclosure requirements the start-up faces. These disclosures will remain very important to prevent…
Agree that it's largely apples and oranges. I think the poster was more calling attention to the fact that SOPA showed a lot of people that their voices do matter, and can affect change in government. So in that way, at least, they're related. Fraud is certainly a concern, and the reason that the laws were introduced in the 1930s in the first place. But the S.1791 bill has provisions for dealing with this through (re…
I haven't read the bill before Congress, but I would think if there are provisions that prohibit borrowing as a mechanism for financing stock purchases, this would benefit the start up ecosystem. The system in it's current state only benefits the very, very wealthy, and forces young start ups into term negotiations with people who do it for a living.
Methinks there is / will be heavy lobbying on behalf of the major investment banks who would naturally oppose any new members in their club.
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#16I fully support this! To someone's point, we have an outdated system of balances that are based on 400 year old common law, and put in place as a consequence of the great depressions. S.1791 is a good bill, that puts the proper protections, capping investments at $1k. Not riskless, but appropriate amount of risk for investing. A fairer shake than the individual investor gets in the days of algorithmic, fraud ridden W…
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#17There used to be a time when anyone could sell shares in any company. That didn't work out and so we got the Securities and Exchange Act of 1933. Crowd-funding isn't fatally flawed, but it needs a lot more time to integrate the last 400 years of capital market development history.
You still can. My company, for instance, has but two investors holding all company stock. My wife and me. If we wished, we could sell a portion of our company to others even though it is not publicly traded. Privately held companies like ours can still sell portions of their company to other investors, or even take investment capital without selling private stock.
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#19We are getting the news too late. Did you know that there are 7 bills that might change how startups operate? H.R.3427 - Startup Technical Assistance for Reemployment Training and Unemployment Prevention Act H.R.3571 - Entrepreneur Startup Growth Act of 2011 S.1965 - Startup Act of 2011 S.1826 - Startup Technical Assistance for Reemployment Training and Unemployment Prevention Act H.R.2941 - Startup Expansion and Inv…
I would love to. But it's difficult to justify when there is no payoff for it.
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#20b)I have since raised $10.5M in venture capital for Backupify.com, so I have also learned that side of the world.
From my view, allowing anybody to invest a few hundred or a few thousand dollars in a startup is a bad idea for a few reasons. First of all, the startup world is glamorized by the media. Most startups fail. Most capital is erased. No one writes about those companies, unless the failure is spectacular. Studies have shown that on average, entrepreneurs will do better financially in the "real world" of work than in startups. But the media doesn't play this up, and as a result, society has a bias that is a combination of the survivorship bias and recency bias that makes them think startups are a good investment. Many wealthy people that I have dealt with don't really understand the odds and risks of startups, so all the less likely that your average Joe can do it.
Secondly, capital structure matters a lot as your company grows. If you are successful, a bad capital structure can really fuck you over down the road when you need bigger rounds. And some issues require a shareholder vote. Average Joe doesn't know how to deal with these issues, and that scares professional investors. An idea like this will get a lot of companies seed capital, and they won't be able to raise later stage.
Third point - startups are really fucking hard, and will strain all of your relationships in your life, including those with your investors. Hell, Backupify is doing pretty well and it's still hard. Having to manage a bunch of small investors can be a nightmare, and going through difficult times with people you barely know, who don't do this professionally, will just make it worse.
Here is my prediction about how this legislation plays out. 1. It will eventually pass, because it is sexy and cool and part of the American dream.
2. Media will point to examples of companies getting funded that wouldn't normally get VC/Angel funding, to show how great it is. These examples will be thinks like companies outside of major startup hubs, companies that don't put profit/shareholder value / growth first, companies that are highly unusual, weird, or even too risky for VC, and companies that have non-sexy ideas that can't get VC because they aren't mobile/social/sharing/whatever.
3. Many will fail, but there will be at least one massive success, and that success will become the poster child for why this works.
4. But really, it won't work. People will lose money. There will be lawsuits and complaints. There will be a bubble after point #3 happens, and some 60ish dude will invest too much of his retirement in a dozen startups only to see every one of them fail and his whole net worth wiped out.
5. There will be outcry against this, and we will pass laws to regulate it, taking us back to where we began, only in a much worse situation.
Now, all that said, I will say there is probably room for a new investment scenario under two conditions.
1. The amount is so low it doesn't matter. For example, the bar is $100 and you can't invest in more than 5 at any one time. This makes your returns so small, even with homeruns, to be almost irrelevant, but maybe it's fun and cool and people will like it.
2. There is probably room for an "almost accredited investor" clause. I'm a perfect example for this. I'm not quite accredited, but probably will be by this time next year. I understand startups quite well. So maybe a clause saying that if you have worked 2 years in a venture backed startup, you can invest up to $10K, that might be ok.
Anyway, those are my thoughts. It will be interesting to see how this will play out.