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UK: Food inflation rises to 18.2% as it hits highest rate in over 45 years

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Re: UK: Food inflation rises to 18.2% as it hits highest rate in over 45 years

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As a person living in the UK, I have definitely noticed a considerable rise in unit prices. One of many examples is that a loaf of my favourite bread increased from £3 to £4 recently, which was a shocker. Toilet roll prices, as ever what the news loves to talk about, has exploded, increasing by around 70% since 2020 by my anecdotal observation. A sad thought I have about inflation is the fact that it is, wittingly or…

"[snip]...endless blue-collar UK worker union strikes, riots, protests, etc" Ummm... nothing like the 70s/80s (I'm old). Seriously I think that the younger people in the UK are showing immense stoicism and forbearance.

Indeed. All the institutions which might possibly have produced that level of coordinated unrest were deliberately dismantled or atomized. There's no way to turn dread into political action.

Re: UK: Food inflation rises to 18.2% as it hits highest rate in over 45 years

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As a person living in the UK, I have definitely noticed a considerable rise in unit prices. One of many examples is that a loaf of my favourite bread increased from £3 to £4 recently, which was a shocker. Toilet roll prices, as ever what the news loves to talk about, has exploded, increasing by around 70% since 2020 by my anecdotal observation. A sad thought I have about inflation is the fact that it is, wittingly or…

pass down wholesale price increases, etc. I think it is very important to note that when it comes to grocery price increases, even if suppliers are raising their prices (and this isn't always the case), groceries stores aren't just passing down wholesale price increases, they're raising prices even further. For grocery stores, this isn't an issue with (unqualified) "inflation", it's an issue of price gouging. https:/…

What you'll note from this article (from the Daily Mail, but the quotes seem legit) is the source of the price rises is contested. The grocery store management said -- somewhat vaguely, after being questioned about it -- that, yes, suppliers could be raising prices excessively. Then an "insider" said that actually it was the groceries that were doing it.

The whole point with inflation is that nobody knows what future price-levels are going to be, so there's upward price instability. Everyone is trying to gauge how much to raise things -- and of course, they tend to overshoot, which leads to a higher rate of inflation. That's what makes inflation so pernicious, and hard to eradicate. It's not so much that a constant rate of inflation is damaging, but when increase become noticeable, people begin trying to anticipate it, and that increases the rate of change.

You'll also see this in pay negotiations: you'll see more strikes over pay raises, but it'll be very hard for unions or companies to accurate gauge what the pay rate rise should be. It's not that unions are trying to "gouge" management -- it's that the consequences of demanding too small a pay rise is the same as accepting a pay cut. So labour demands more than inflation, which in turn tends to push up the inflation rate.

Re: UK: Food inflation rises to 18.2% as it hits highest rate in over 45 years

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As a person living in the UK, I have definitely noticed a considerable rise in unit prices. One of many examples is that a loaf of my favourite bread increased from £3 to £4 recently, which was a shocker. Toilet roll prices, as ever what the news loves to talk about, has exploded, increasing by around 70% since 2020 by my anecdotal observation. A sad thought I have about inflation is the fact that it is, wittingly or…

Hope you don't mind me re-posting this from another comment of mine, but since you specifically raise the UK it's actually more relevant here. In the UK it doesn't look like gouging is the issue: https://www.grocerygazette.co.uk/2023/01/31/food-companies-p... Honestly you're right that inflation can benefit the well off, but I don't buy the conspiracy theory angle. "The Establishment" has been holding inflation rates…

>It's (inflation) been the number 1 priority for central banks since the early 90s.

I might believe this if M2 hadn't increased 4x since 2000 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL

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> Obviously Biden shows how much he cares about stopping the war. Oh yes, of course. All we have to do is negotiate an end to the Sudeten crisis and there will be no more wars, or threats of wars, from Hitler. Been there, done that. The best preventative for war is making it quite clear that any victory for warmongers will be a Pyrrhic victory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland#Sudeten_Crisis

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Re: UK: Food inflation rises to 18.2% as it hits highest rate in over 45 years

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As a person living in the UK, I have definitely noticed a considerable rise in unit prices. One of many examples is that a loaf of my favourite bread increased from £3 to £4 recently, which was a shocker. Toilet roll prices, as ever what the news loves to talk about, has exploded, increasing by around 70% since 2020 by my anecdotal observation. A sad thought I have about inflation is the fact that it is, wittingly or…

pass down wholesale price increases, etc. I think it is very important to note that when it comes to grocery price increases, even if suppliers are raising their prices (and this isn't always the case), groceries stores aren't just passing down wholesale price increases, they're raising prices even further. For grocery stores, this isn't an issue with (unqualified) "inflation", it's an issue of price gouging. https:/…

Everyone cites "price gouging" every time prices go up in any industry, but if you bother to look it up the average profit margin of a UK grocer in 2022 is about 3%.

Unless that has jumped to 10-15%, or jumped in any meaningful way, you're just seeing inflation, not gouging. Generally, grocers are among those businesses with the least pricing power.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/savings-algorithms-uk...

Re: UK: Food inflation rises to 18.2% as it hits highest rate in over 45 years

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As a person living in the UK, I have definitely noticed a considerable rise in unit prices. One of many examples is that a loaf of my favourite bread increased from £3 to £4 recently, which was a shocker. Toilet roll prices, as ever what the news loves to talk about, has exploded, increasing by around 70% since 2020 by my anecdotal observation. A sad thought I have about inflation is the fact that it is, wittingly or…

pass down wholesale price increases, etc. I think it is very important to note that when it comes to grocery price increases, even if suppliers are raising their prices (and this isn't always the case), groceries stores aren't just passing down wholesale price increases, they're raising prices even further. For grocery stores, this isn't an issue with (unqualified) "inflation", it's an issue of price gouging. https:/…

The Daily Mail? Seriously?

Re: UK: Food inflation rises to 18.2% as it hits highest rate in over 45 years

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Consumers notice price changes. So you don't want to adjust prices unless most of your competitors are also doing so. Therefore you can see prices fixed for years, and then suddenly a sudden flurry of lots of manufacturers all raising prices 50%.

Free market economics means that if absurd profits are being had, then new people coming to the game will offer slightly cheaper prices. A price were willing occur until surviving companies are making minimal amount of profits. Related is if someone figures out how to produce the same amount for less effort/cost. If someone is making absurd profits for long periods, then usually some major factor such as government r…

> Free market economics means that if absurd profits are being had, then new people coming to the game will offer slightly cheaper prices.

Supermarkets are expensive but still not expensive enough for someone to bootstrap an operation to elbow themselves into the market as a new player and expect to still make profit.

> A price were willing occur until surviving companies are making minimal amount of profits.

> Related is if someone figures out how to produce the same amount for less effort/cost.

Existing supermarket chains have massive delivery networks and associated efficiency, already have

- the real estate and - all the internals of a retail store and - the associated warehousing set up, - all the personnel who know their way around the store and where everything goes (which is a huge part of the efficiency of distributing the wares in the store), - "brand" recognition of the store (Aldi, Tesco, Walmart, ...)

which means the new competitors would very likely have to massively loss-lead at a time when the already-established market participants are making more profit than before.

> If someone is making absurd profits for long periods, then usually some major factor such as government regulations is preventing new players from entering the market.

Selling foodstuffs especially is an area of business where a huge chunk of regulations are absolutely justified and it's not like all of the food singled out because of expired shelf life ("MHD"/"Mindesthaltbarkeitsdatum") is getting thrown into the garbage (at least here in Germany). I currently work in a supermarket and have done so in a different chain before this one and from what I know most damaged or "expired" food is getting written off and then either set aside in the appropriate temperature store-room for the "Tafel" (food bank) OR if it's really unfit/unsafe for consumption (moldy, completely interrupted cold chain [1] or obvious signs of spoilage like bloated food packaging) it gets thrown into the garbage.

Raving about "free markets" from ones ivory tower is all well and good but the reality is that because of corporate consolidations and necessity-for-living many economic sectors are effectively locked down by (implicit) cartels, either because it's cost-prohibitive to even enter - let alone succeed in - that market or because the actual necessary infrastructure has been divied up between the current market participants (think USA and their local mono-/duopolies of ISPs).

[1]: For example when we find items which should be kept cool or frozen in other areas of the market having been taken and left there by customers who obviously don't care (like that one time I found fresh fish with its plastic bag bloated to bursting in a warm section of the market during summer time, thankfully the packaging wasn't damaged or it wouldn't have been pretty).

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I find comments like this weird, I never think about purchases that small. I honestly have no idea how much I pay for tortillas normally but $7 would not even be a blip on my mental radar

And that is OK, as long as you recognize your position of extreme privilege there.

I don’t think it’s “extreme privilege” to not notice a price increase of maybe $3? I could see it if you’re living in extreme poverty but anyone middle class and above shouldn’t waste mental energy on things like that

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I find comments like this weird, I never think about purchases that small. I honestly have no idea how much I pay for tortillas normally but $7 would not even be a blip on my mental radar

It's just one banana. What could it cost, ten dollars?

you've never actually set foot in a supermarket, have you??

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As a person living in the UK, I have definitely noticed a considerable rise in unit prices. One of many examples is that a loaf of my favourite bread increased from £3 to £4 recently, which was a shocker. Toilet roll prices, as ever what the news loves to talk about, has exploded, increasing by around 70% since 2020 by my anecdotal observation. A sad thought I have about inflation is the fact that it is, wittingly or…

So, do you feel that the focus of the central banks to keep interest rates low and inflation low is to protect the lower class? I would submit that what the central banks want is to benefit the main asset holders who suffer the most from erosion by inflation.
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