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Anyone here can explain why is Peter Thiel so dedicated to conservatism and the culture war? I don't get how bankrolling people who actively support policies that hurt minorities (like the LGBT community) can bring any upside to him. What is his endgame here?

The man believes what he believes, and has sex the way he has sex. Lots of fascists are gay. It’s a whole trope.

A lot of people seem convinced he's a fascist but where is the actual evidence?

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Anyone here can explain why is Peter Thiel so dedicated to conservatism and the culture war? I don't get how bankrolling people who actively support policies that hurt minorities (like the LGBT community) can bring any upside to him. What is his endgame here?

I personally can't see how, but somehow he must have found a profitable angle.

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Anyone here can explain why is Peter Thiel so dedicated to conservatism and the culture war? I don't get how bankrolling people who actively support policies that hurt minorities (like the LGBT community) can bring any upside to him. What is his endgame here?

Thiel is a multi-billionaire, so the same rules don't apply to him as the masses. Even the most anti-LGBT politicians will fawn over you if you have such money and power despite being what they supposedly detest.

The article even quotes on of Thiel's bought politicians who came to his wedding despite opposing gay marriage.

The whole thing seems utterly contradictory to me, but clearly principles are flexible when money and power are concerned.

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The man believes what he believes, and has sex the way he has sex. Lots of fascists are gay. It’s a whole trope.

A lot of people seem convinced he's a fascist but where is the actual evidence?

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Have you seen who he bankrolls?

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Anyone here can explain why is Peter Thiel so dedicated to conservatism and the culture war? I don't get how bankrolling people who actively support policies that hurt minorities (like the LGBT community) can bring any upside to him. What is his endgame here?

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Anyone here can explain why is Peter Thiel so dedicated to conservatism and the culture war? I don't get how bankrolling people who actively support policies that hurt minorities (like the LGBT community) can bring any upside to him. What is his endgame here?

I'm going to try and explain how I understand Peter Thiel's worldview here, which I've learned from listening to him talk and reading what he writes. You can downvote this all you want, but I believe it's an accurate interpretation. I'll try to keep my own opinions out of it. To understand Thiel's position, you have to broaden your idea of harm past immediate harm to a single group of people. While I'm sure Thiel has…

> Thiel is more worried about things like 1905 and 1917 Russian revolutions

If we wants to prevent revolutions, he should be advocating for gradual change and a reduction in inequality, not fomenting culture war. Extreme inequality leads to revolution, and the civil war his people seem eager to instigate also seems contrary to his goals.

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Anyone here can explain why is Peter Thiel so dedicated to conservatism and the culture war? I don't get how bankrolling people who actively support policies that hurt minorities (like the LGBT community) can bring any upside to him. What is his endgame here?

Simple: Thiel unironically believes in techno-feudalism and is willing to work with anti-LGBT forces to bring it about as an alternative to whatever the heck Barack Obama and Joe Biden have been doing.

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The problem with Thiel's worldview is that it's not all that accurate. Yes, the Soviet Union was a horrible authoritarian state but the alternative to it isn't any better especially if you're not in the United States or of its preferred/default social classes. The damage done by the USSR and the Russian civil war pale in comparison to the yearly death toll of millions from medical deprivation and starvation even afte…

How many people die every year from medical deprivation? While that is a legitimate problem that we need to fix, I'm skeptical whether that could exceed the 100M who have been killed by Communism. https://victimsofcommunism.org/

> How many people die every year from medical deprivation?

A quick search suggests figures ranging from 1 million to 40 million per year. So if you want to compare that to 100 million deaths by communism over the past 100 years, then preventable disease seems to kill at least roughly the same number of people, and possibly 40 times as many.

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Anyone here can explain why is Peter Thiel so dedicated to conservatism and the culture war? I don't get how bankrolling people who actively support policies that hurt minorities (like the LGBT community) can bring any upside to him. What is his endgame here?

In my mind there are broadly 2 types of conservatives, the rich self interest conservatives and the regular social issues conservatives. the rich have figured out a pretty efficient way of feeding the regular conservatives things that dont cost them money (like religion, guns, immigration, minorities etc) in exchange of things that make them money & power. it almost always boils down to that calculation. religion is easy way to keep masses in check and divert their attention on-demand.

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Anyone here can explain why is Peter Thiel so dedicated to conservatism and the culture war? I don't get how bankrolling people who actively support policies that hurt minorities (like the LGBT community) can bring any upside to him. What is his endgame here?

My theory is this is a distraction tactic. These are real issues for real people, but Thiel feels that there are bigger issues that he can't make traction on with the Democratic party. So he funds outrageous candidates and they push culture war narratives and don't do anything other than rile up both bases. I am asserting that Trump was ineffective, his cabinet turnover was unprecedented, and maybe that's why Thiel lost interest the second time around. But Thiel feels that doing nothing by the Republicans is better than the something that Democrats do. He's just running interference for progress by the other party, progress which he feels is detrimental.
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