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Re: Post-GPT Computing

#91

Post by nunez »

I agree that GPT will make creating software redundant.

Writing is definitely on the wall for outsourcing and MVP-style work. GPT can create a landing page and a backend/frontend for a business _literally today_. You just have to ship it, but it won't be long until that isn't needed.

There will still be a lot of value in understanding how systems work and interact with each other, at least until ML is able to build and maintain entire systems.

Until that happens, there will still be a lot of value in being able to dive into codebases and refactor/optimize as needed, at least in the medium-term.

Once platform engineering is mostly automated and running AI-generated binaries is de-risked, then code quality doesn't really matter. Hell, _code_ won't even matter at that point.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

#92

Post by nunez »

DethNinja wrote: post #14

I don’t get the overall doom and gloom towards LLMs on the software field. If you are a software engineer, this will output your productivity ten fold on the upcoming years. Now you don’t need to hire junior devs and can just build the product of your dreams with very limited capital. In my opinion this technology will be as democratising as the YouTube’s early days. Instead of worrying, learn to work with it. It wil…

Yeah, and look at where YouTube is now.

Millions of creators grinding for pennies while the lucky ones that got in early and made it rake in the profits.

I think success in tech is going to become extremely pyramidal in the coming years. This is a huge shame, as this was one of the only fields out there where you could make a really good living without going to the "right" school for years and years and years.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

#93

Post by SanderNL »

msm_ wrote: post #63
DethNinja wrote: post #14

I don’t get the overall doom and gloom towards LLMs on the software field. If you are a software engineer, this will output your productivity ten fold on the upcoming years. Now you don’t need to hire junior devs and can just build the product of your dreams with very limited capital. In my opinion this technology will be as democratising as the YouTube’s early days. Instead of worrying, learn to work with it. It wil…

> If you are a software engineer, this will output your productivity ten fold on the upcoming years. Is this really true? I may be missing something (I probably am), but I didn't find much use for AI tools in my itsec/programming work. It's a nice tool to have, but I don't write that much boilerplate. I've tried to use it as a better Google, but it kept replying with made up nonsense (things I have problem with are u…

A lot of people are messing around with React and web-dev in general where you can fuzz component logic until it kind of looks OK. I can see that working out.

If you want to do anything new or - god forbid - know of a better way to do things than what 90% of the population is doing (htmx?). Good luck.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

#94

Post by TeMPOraL »

the_only_law wrote: post #89
TeMPOraL wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who would you have been hundreds or thousands of years ago? Given how I grew up ingesting science and science fiction alike, literally attributing half my personality to Star Trek: The Next Generation being on TV during my formative years? It's really hard to tell. I have very little connection to things which were possible before late 19th / early 20th century. In my mind, being thrown back centuries in time, I'd…

I was thinking less of “what if I went back in time” and more “what if I was my ancestor” Obviously you won’t be able to tell for sure, but I’d guess that 1000 years ago I’d probably be a serf, and 100 years ago, likely would have fought in a large war and likely doing some form of physical labor or subsistence farming afterwards, based on what my family was doing then.

Oh, in this sense, yes, I agree. There's only so much agency any human ever has, had, or will have - and the space of possible choices is determined by the overall technological and economic landscape of the time.

In this light, sure, the me from 1000 years ago would most likely be a serf, die from malnutrition, war or robbery. Me from 100 years ago would probably be lying dead in the trenches of Verdun, or shot on the streets of Kraków, or otherwise dead in WW1; for military-aged males in Europe, I guess whether or not one got drawn into fighting was a coin flip.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

#95

Post by edgyquant »

margorczynski wrote: post #70
edgyquant wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any random guy can copy just about any startup already. It’s the domain expertise and insight into a potential market that builds companies not a few engineers throwing together a react app

Any random guy with a shitload of cash to spend on development. These "few engineers" can cost $1kk annually and if you think some random guy can just throw away such cash then well... "Domain expertise and insight into a potential market" won't get you a working product that you can sell.

Anyone driven can throw together an MVP for a CRUD app. Having the domain expertise to prove a market edge can get you funding. Most engineers can’t do that second part.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

#96

Post by jwestbury »

olalonde wrote: post #80
Jevon23 wrote: post #46

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I really don’t want my productivity to increase. Worst case scenario is that it gets SO good at writing code that software engineering teams are severely downsized or are made obsolete altogether, and I find myself out of a job. I’m not expecting UBI to start falling out of the sky any time soon, especially while there are still manual labor jobs that robots can’t do. Alternative scenario is that individual developer…

I'm sure secretaries had similar thoughts about the arrival of personal computers. Yet, few would argue that computers have made the world a worse place. The truth is people will do less work, or it will feel like it. Most of our ancestors did not have the comfortable software jobs we have today. Life will become easier, products and services will become more abundant. Of course, the transition will be harder for tho…

> we will either live lives of abundance and leisure or face extinction

Third option, the workers no longer control the means of production, and we see levels of inequality that make the railroad barons look like they were middle class.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

#97

Post by jwestbury »

muffles wrote: post #45
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #19

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> Now you don’t need to hire junior devs and can just build the product of your dreams with very limited capital. You are overestimating the vast amount of "software engineers" in the world. The overwhelming majority of us are just programmers, we are just gluing together CRUD spaghetti in the random language we grew up with. We don't care too much about work or a career. And most of us don't want to do more, we want…

> We don't care too much about work or a career. And most of us don't want to do more, we want to get a decent salary for our boring work. Yikes. Productive work is not just a way to earn a living but also a way to achieve personal fulfillment and happiness. It's a means of creating value and contributing to society. A person who works just for the salary and does not find any meaning in his work is not living up to…

> A person who works just for the salary and does not find any meaning in his work is not living up to his full potential.

Things I enjoy don't pay enough to live a comfortable life. Tech does. So I do well enough at my job to pay for the things I enjoy, and hope I find enough edge cases at work to avoid burnout.

In a true post-scarcity society, where everyone has the freedom to choose a career based purely on fulfillment, your argument is excellent. Until then, however, it's not.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

#98

Post by gitfan86 »

nunez wrote: post #92
DethNinja wrote: post #14

I don’t get the overall doom and gloom towards LLMs on the software field. If you are a software engineer, this will output your productivity ten fold on the upcoming years. Now you don’t need to hire junior devs and can just build the product of your dreams with very limited capital. In my opinion this technology will be as democratising as the YouTube’s early days. Instead of worrying, learn to work with it. It wil…

Yeah, and look at where YouTube is now. Millions of creators grinding for pennies while the lucky ones that got in early and made it rake in the profits. I think success in tech is going to become extremely pyramidal in the coming years. This is a huge shame, as this was one of the only fields out there where you could make a really good living without going to the "right" school for years and years and years.

Yes, but we are in a world of abundance. Most people carry around what would be in 1980 a 10 million dollar supercomputer in their pocket.

10 years from now we might have the equivalent of what today costs 10 million dollars today. Automated farming means what today we consider high end and expensive produce becomes almost free. Automated transportation means that food gets delivered to you for almost nothing. Imagine you had a 95% off coupon on Uber Eats. Does that sound terrible? If so why? Because it also means that Jeff bezos gets a 2000 foot yacht?

Edit:---------

I'm getting a lot of doom and gloom respones. And you all are right, there are a lot of people who do not have food/shelter/cheap colleges. But what you all probably are not aware of is that 100 million people have risen out of poverty in India over the past 15 years. Your word view is being warped by the doom and gloom media. I would suggest reading just the beginning of the book factfulness. It will totally change your view of the world and probably make you much happier.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

#99

Post by the_only_law »

jwestbury wrote: post #97
muffles wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We don't care too much about work or a career. And most of us don't want to do more, we want to get a decent salary for our boring work. Yikes. Productive work is not just a way to earn a living but also a way to achieve personal fulfillment and happiness. It's a means of creating value and contributing to society. A person who works just for the salary and does not find any meaning in his work is not living up to…

> A person who works just for the salary and does not find any meaning in his work is not living up to his full potential. Things I enjoy don't pay enough to live a comfortable life. Tech does. So I do well enough at my job to pay for the things I enjoy, and hope I find enough edge cases at work to avoid burnout. In a true post-scarcity society, where everyone has the freedom to choose a career based purely on fulfil…

Hell there are things I’d probably take a big pay cut to do, but it would take years of my life and large amounts of money just to retrain.

Re: Post-GPT Computing

#100

Post by _xnmw »

> Yesterday, I watched someone upload a video file to a chat app, ask a language model “Can you extract the first 5 s of the video?”, and then wait as the language model wrote a few lines of code and then actually executed that code, resulting in a downloadable video file.

I missed this. Can someone show me what he is talking about?

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