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Is there evidence sexually suggestive material has a negative effect on kids? Which specific books did you have in mind anyway?
Do you really want to be the person playing devils advocate with showing porn to children?
Does anyone have the list of books and examples?
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Is there evidence sexually suggestive material has a negative effect on kids? Which specific books did you have in mind anyway?
We could also argue whether teaching about the "benefits" of dog eating would have negative effects. The goal of such "educators" is to uproot the morals early and normalize the abnormal things.
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Isn't there a lot of literature about how kids exposed to sexually explicit material go on to do risky sexual behavior as teens and do them earlier? Also about abusers literally grooming kids for sex by showing them porn? Pretty sure all this was standard discourse at least since the early 2000s.
I didn't ask about sexually explicit material though - "explicit" and "suggestive" are quite different. My expectation is that most kids (below the age of 12 or so) wouldn't even recognise a lot of sexually suggestive language for what it was anyway.
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Yes, kids learning about gay people is so traumatizing for them that gay rights must be stripped to protect the children. This is totally a rational line of thought often held by people who in no way are bigoted against LGBT folk.
They don't care that the science points to structured and informed transition being the best option for many trans people. They don't want there to be any trans people. There's no science behind the right-wing view, just hate and bigotry. They think that people are going online, watching a few TikTok videos, and suddenly saying "I'm trans! I want surgery and hormone blockers now!" when that is quite literally never the case. These are kids who are already internally struggling with their own gender feelings versus their body, and there are two types of responses. Loving parents accept their kids for who they are, and assure them that they will always be loved. Parents who are more worried about being "embarrassed" or "ungodly" will tend to suppress this instead, attempting to force the kid into their mold, instead of allowing their kid to be their true self.
These are people who were most likely prevented from learning actual critical thinking skills. They honestly don't understand how to think things through with logic, instead they inject their emotions into the issue, and you can never effectively fight emotion with logic. Logic can't be made "more logical", but emotional appeals can sure be made "more emotional", so emotion often wins out. Emotion is a quite visceral thing that we don't even fully understand. I'm certain that we feel emotion before we even exit the womb, long before any notion of logic could even exist for us.
I don't have an answer, but it's clear that these people simply do not care about the life experience of the "other", and in this case the "other" is the queer population.
The whole problem is that people have not properly been taught about sex, because educational institutions have for years, in different areas, been hamstrung (like with all the "abstinence-only" education in areas like the bible belt), and parents aren't the best sexual educators (because on a personal level, they don't want to even think about that sort of thing). Cue the trope of the angry father telling the daughter "you're not dating until you're 30".
The vast majority of people over the last 60 years have been taught more from some form of pornography (whether it be the stack of Playboys under Dad's bed, or the teenager screwing with the horizontal and vertical hold on their TV to try to watch Skinemax, to today's young people having access to internet porn). Some of us came out ok, but some people (depending on which porn they learned from) didn't.
The problem with education being too centralized, is that it results in a choke point for power grabs and indoctrination, if we're not careful. Perhaps sexual education should be totally independent from the rest of secondary education?
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The fundamental dishonesty of these book bans is conflating books with sexual content with "hardcore pornography". These bans are happening in high school. Be honest with yourself and admit what you already know: High schoolers are horny. Restricting them from books that discuss sexuality in a realistic way, combined with "abstinence only" sex education still common in these places, makes it more likely that their fi…
What’s your limiting principle here? Should schools also carry old Playboy magazines? They’re less sexually explicit than drawings of two underage kids blowing each other. Are the straight kids not horny? Should there also be straight porn in schools? You can’t just drop sexually explicit images in a book then cry afoul when parents and taxpayers don’t want it in their public schools. They didn’t allow hustler and pl…
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously with such a blatently dishonest comparison?
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We could also argue whether teaching about the "benefits" of dog eating would have negative effects. The goal of such "educators" is to uproot the morals early and normalize the abnormal things.
Sex is abnormal now? FWIW I don't see any need to push descriptions of sexual activity into kid's faces, most of them are unlikely to find it terribly interesting anyway and there's something to be said for the fact that we can enjoy a short period of our life without being unduly influenced by sexual desire. But the idea that we need to ban books from school libraries just because they hint of a more complex adult w…
On a related note, I never understood why people of a certain political persuasion tend to be against any mention of sexuality even towards teenagers . I've seen more than one such person say that "14 or 15 year old people shouldn't be talking about sexuality". Apparently we shouldn't ever be talking to people who have gone through or are going through puberty about sexuality. The whole problem is that people have no…
The idea that "A kid at school should not be aware of anything their parents don't want them to be aware of" is mind numbingly stupid. How many gay kids have grown up under homophobic parents? How many little girls are told to be subservient to men and know their place? How many kids live in a household that consistently talks about "those thugs" and other clear racism? These kids all exist and it is stupid to think…
But categorically, actually being gay is. By any dictionary, the word “gay”classifies a very specific sexual preference. Sexual preferences are fundamentally sexual in nature, and parents absolutely have the prerogative to gatekeep the kinds of content their children are exposed to, especially sexual content. I realize you might have your objections to this but it doesn’t make it any less true. The law is clear on this fact.