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Re: Ask HN: Tools to learn music theory?

#51
Other than just "playing", two super important things to practice are ear training and transcribing. They both reinforce each other and improve every aspect of your musical abilities, including understanding of theory.

For ear training (eg intervals), I use the Perfect Ear app. [1]

For transcribing, I use software called "Transcribe!" [2]. You can repeat specific parts of a song, and also slow it down without altering the pitch (known as "time stretching").

You can also use Audacity for transcription but Transcribe! does tend to be a bit easier to use.

  - [1] https://www.perfectear.app/
  - [2] https://www.seventhstring.com/xscribe/overview.html

Re: Ask HN: Tools to learn music theory?

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Michael Jackson never learned to read or write sheet music.

Out of curiosity, is there any source to endorse that? I mean, it certainly takes a MJ to get to this level without music theory, but if the fact is confirmed... wow! (Tried to phrase it properly but "wow" conveys best that I'm speechless)

There are lots. Here's one: https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/the-incredible-way-micha...

Re: Ask HN: Tools to learn music theory?

#53
post #49

I grew up in a family of classical musicians, got a degree in music, and was briefly a professional classical musician myself. So my advice may be very out of touch with the experience of someone learning for the first time, but my experiences learning beyond European classical music theory left me feeling insulted. The basics of music theory are presented as though they are the foundations upon which all subsequent…

"they are the foundations upon which all subsequent music is derived" I had the impression music theory was used more to analyze existing music, and less so to create it.

Introductory-level music theory is usually taught to beginners learning an instrument. Simple scales, chords etc. The YouTubers I've watched recently all add the caveat that this is 'western' music theory and other cultures have different preferences.

Re: Ask HN: Tools to learn music theory?

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post #37

Lots of people suggesting great ways to get around reading sheet music! But what's a way of getting fast at reading sheet music? I picked up the piano again after quitting several years ago, and one thing I'm really struggling with is glancing at sheet music and being able to play a phrase—I need to step out one note at a time. And I'm hopeless with ledger lines, I have to stick my face close and count the lines to s…

You probably won't like this answer, but the way to get faster at reading sheet music is to read sheet music. It's a skill and takes time and consistent practice to develop.

Sight-reading exercises are great for improving, but it seems you are struggling to choose an appropriate difficulty. A piano teacher is very helpful in this regard and can recommend books/exercises for you to work through.

If that's not an option for you, there are piano music grading systems that provide some orientation. For example IMSLP[1] has music by level, according to the Royal School of Music.

Disclaimer: I'm not an avid piano player, so I don't know that much about these grading systems, other than they are used for exam and certificate prep.

[1]: https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:DiffPage/DiffMain/1

Re: Ask HN: Tools to learn music theory?

#56
I made my own tools, which has been both fun and useful. I haven't put too much work in making them easy to use for others, but maybe they can help? The two that are polished enough to at least share are:

https://johanneshoff.com/sheet/ is for getting faster at recognizing note values in sheet music. I used this for about five minutes a day for some time and it really improved my reading. A musician friend of mine said it had limited use, since notes are always in context, and here it's just random notes. I think this is a good start, though, but the journey from there is probably some other tool.

https://johanneshoff.com/intervals/ to practice intervals. For this one I recommend a MIDI-keyboard and the 'meander' mode. Start out with just a few intervals and take it from there. I found it absolutely crucial to pick some songs that represent the interval. See for instance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhDIm_2qS5s

Re: Ask HN: Tools to learn music theory?

#57
A great tool is, believe it or not, Ocaml/Rescript!!

I was tired not remembering how to name intervals, construct chords, my arpeggios and scales and what not. So I coded it to help me figure all of that out. I also wanted a frontend to visualize all of this because notes on the guitar are all mixed up and it's hard to reason about when you have a terrible memory like I do:

- Theory.res: https://github.com/tbinetruy/solfeggio-calculator/blob/maste... - Frontend: https://tbinetruy.github.io/solfeggio-calculator/

I also have some notes on that repo that have helped me a lot where I can summarize my findings. But this exercise has been enlightening. Both from the coding and musical perspectives. Because Ocaml really forces you to model music and thus ensure that you understand the concepts which helps you remember them.

I can finally start soloing over chord progressions using arpeggios now! It's essentially comes down to playing a scale in thirds starting on the chord root note on chord changes! And I can finally understand my fretboard without having to look at my frontend's chord diagrams anymore. I still don't know the notes, but I understand their relations with each other.

I've also started learning jazz because it's a lot more theory based than pop/rock since you have a lot more exotic chords and solos are guided by the underlying progression. I really like Jens Larsen's YT channel. It's very hard to get into at first because he goes quite fast, but has some very accessible videos such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q2LB45ts0M.

Hope this helps :)

Re: Ask HN: Tools to learn music theory?

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post #48

You don't have to learn theory to make music. Nobody uses (publically known)theory to make music. Learn to improvise.

I agree on your first point, but disagree on your second point. Lots of artists use theory-- jazz musicians use the circle of fifths and their knowledge of chords to give them a framework, from which they can improvise. That means practicing lots of scales, modes, etc, but also practicing licks and such in different keys.

If you play saxophone, trumpet, etc.. in a band, you'll probably need theory, since you'll need to do some transposing.

Theory without playing music is lifeless, but theory definitely makes things easier to communicate or understand.

Re: Ask HN: Tools to learn music theory?

#59
I think a great tool for learning music theory is a stringed instrument. By having an instrument _you_ tune you get your ear in tune as well, and you can hear the difference different temperments make.

But ultimately it's about making the music that's inside you, and not everyone needs music theory to do that.

A problem I've seen with pianists and theory is they can get stuck because each key has different fingering, unlike stringed instruments.

Re: Ask HN: Tools to learn music theory?

#60

The first thing I would say is that music theory is a very broad topic. You're going to have much better results if you study aspects of theory that you then practically apply in your musical life. So if you tend to play a certain style of music, learn the theory that applies to that first. Eg say you play rock/blues piano (or generally play pop music). You might want to start with learning pentatonic and blues scale…

I second using ABRSM [1] material, particularly for classical music. It's graded and structured with workbooks (and even online theory exams if you want). ABRSM material and exams are for anyone and recognized for university/conservatoire entry at least in the UK. They start really gently at Grade I.

[1] https://gb.abrsm.org/en/our-exams/online-theory/

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