The venture capitalist's dilemma
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The venture capitalist's dilemma
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Re: The venture capitalist's dilemma
#2This seems to be the telling quote - and is to me the point.
We are missing democracy in control over at least half of the spend in society. It's going to be weird, but we need democratic control over companies, as well as government. No idea what it's going to look like - but we'll figure it out.
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#3> that those controlling massive amounts of capital and power in our society are not the smartest, or most level-headed, or most altruistic among us. This seems to be the telling quote - and is to me the point. We are missing democracy in control over at least half of the spend in society. It's going to be weird, but we need democratic control over companies, as well as government. No idea what it's going to look lik…
It won't work. We already have enough politics and corporate games at work. Are you advocating for more of that?
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#4Do more wealthy VCs and firms have more tooling available to be able to properly vet their capital storage houses before deciding to reside there? Sure. But unless we decide that banks should be public facilities with the aim of strictly housing money, I’m not sure any amount of vetting could actually guarantee a depositor’s safety at a bank. And I just don’t think it should be your fault if your bank’s investment branch are nincompoops. You have no control over that, and certainly no degree of control from a quarter to quarter standpoint where the personnel of your bank might shift and change far past your vetting.
So would I have lost sleep if VCs lost their deposits? No. But am I glad they were made whole, even if I think they shouldn’t have that much money in the first place? Yes.
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#5Sorry, I don’t like VCs (no specific reason, just don’t like people with tons of money), but a person’s choice of bank shouldn’t be the deciding factor in whether or not they get to keep their money. Do more wealthy VCs and firms have more tooling available to be able to properly vet their capital storage houses before deciding to reside there? Sure. But unless we decide that banks should be public facilities with th…
And SVB was a shady bank, hence why it had begun to run out of funds before the VCs started losing their minds on Twitter, and also because there are many stories of them (SVB) opening up accounts and giving lines of credit much more freely compared to an established bank or even to a more cautious "mom-and-pop" bank.
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#61) This is presenting a bank run like it is a bad outcome for the people involved. It isn't obvious why that would be so; SVB is now one of the safest banks to park money in, and the dust hasn't settled but it seems plausible to me that the bank equity holders and directors are part of some incestuous Silicon Valley relationship where they are also major equity holders in the companies banking at the bank - ie, they've benefited hugely from the de-risking even if nominally they are getting wiped out.
2) "No libertarians in a bank run" - what, did libertarians suddenly become self-sacrificing when I wasn't watching? Libertarianism is recognising that people shouldn't be forced to pay taxes to fund these bailouts and that people should be allowed to avoid the dollar while conducting business if they wish. If the game is set up so that everyone rich gets a bail out, you'd have to be an idiot not to take the bailout. Since these libertarians aren't idiots, they took the bail out. They aren't dignified, sure, but they never pretended they were going to hold themselves up as sacrifices.
3) "the Fed’s not-a-bailout of Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank seems ultimately to be the right choice "
I mean, if you concede that then ok but is anyone naive enough to believe that the wealthy took everyone else's money hostage by accident? It has been clear for a decade that as long as it is a crisis rich people will get free money. Therefore, the powerful have arranged their affairs so they won't lose money except in a crisis. The easy approach is letting the rules play out to their logical conclusions. People overestimate how important the banking sector is, it makes more sense to plan how to transition through a collapse and rebuild it than it does trying to hold up all the idiots currently in charge of all the important decisions. They aren't competent, that is why the system keeps trying to purge them!
Note the remarkable resiliency of the crypto system because it keeps jettisoning all the parts that go bust without rescuing them. Bitcoin's value is more resilient than the banking system right now sans-bailouts.
Re: The venture capitalist's dilemma
#7> that those controlling massive amounts of capital and power in our society are not the smartest, or most level-headed, or most altruistic among us. This seems to be the telling quote - and is to me the point. We are missing democracy in control over at least half of the spend in society. It's going to be weird, but we need democratic control over companies, as well as government. No idea what it's going to look lik…
Democratic control makes no sense. That's the entire reason the US has a representative government - direct large scale democratic control doesn't get anything done for starters. Heck, even the representative form has scaled to the point it doesn't get anything done.
If the control that already existed produced anything other than total dysfunction, things. never would have gotten to a point where half the spend isn't covered - there would be no reason for it to occur.
Your answer is to force it to happen anyway. Im sure that will end well
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#8I broadly like the things Molly is bringing attention to, but there are some problems here: 1) This is presenting a bank run like it is a bad outcome for the people involved. It isn't obvious why that would be so; SVB is now one of the safest banks to park money in, and the dust hasn't settled but it seems plausible to me that the bank equity holders and directors are part of some incestuous Silicon Valley relationsh…
Only when looking in hindsight.
Unless those extremely wealthy people knew that in the eventuality of a bank run the government would offer them shelter, as the government normally does for the ruling class. But that is not in a sense part of her criticism?
Re: The venture capitalist's dilemma
#9I broadly like the things Molly is bringing attention to, but there are some problems here: 1) This is presenting a bank run like it is a bad outcome for the people involved. It isn't obvious why that would be so; SVB is now one of the safest banks to park money in, and the dust hasn't settled but it seems plausible to me that the bank equity holders and directors are part of some incestuous Silicon Valley relationsh…
But that's explicitly *not* how the game was set up. The game was set up so everyone gets insured up to a limit, and if you're rich enough to be beyond that limit, then you should be paying market rate for insurance on those funds (which is, like, a thing they could have done).
They chose to forego insurance for their funds, and when it all collapsed they screamed bloody murder demanding the government make them whole. They demanded the government _change_ the rules to socialize their losses. If you demand government intervention when the market goes haywire that's fine, but you turn in your libertarian badge when you come demanding government handouts.
Re: The venture capitalist's dilemma
#10> that those controlling massive amounts of capital and power in our society are not the smartest, or most level-headed, or most altruistic among us. This seems to be the telling quote - and is to me the point. We are missing democracy in control over at least half of the spend in society. It's going to be weird, but we need democratic control over companies, as well as government. No idea what it's going to look lik…
And then nothing will get done because everyone has a different opinion? It won't work. We already have enough politics and corporate games at work. Are you advocating for more of that?