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Re: Transformer architecture optimized for Apple Silicon

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They do have a search engine though with Siri Suggestions. Which has a user base of ~1.5b+ people. We only see the tip of the iceberg so who knows what else it is capable of.

“Hey siri, what is today’s date?” “Sorry, I’m having trouble connecting to the network”

Siri never tells me it has trouble connecting to the network, it says "something went wrong"

Re: Transformer architecture optimized for Apple Silicon

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i'd say within 5 years apple will have optimized apple silicon and their tech, along with language model improvements, such that you will be able to get gpt-4 level performance in the iPhone 19 with inference happening entirely locally. openai is doing great work and is serious competition, but I think many underestimate big tech. once they're properly motivated they'll catch up quick. I think we can agree that opena…

They under estimate chip makers plans to embed AI in silicon. Chips intended for launch in 5-6 years are in planning stages right now. Apple, nVidia, and Intel could bring serious hurt to software companies in the next 5-10. Open source purists will weep but really most people do not care, and tech should not merely serve the dedicated.

> Apple, nVidia, and Intel could bring serious hurt to software companies in the next 5-10.

What does that mean? What software companies?

Re: Transformer architecture optimized for Apple Silicon

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Hundreds of GBs of RAM in a phone is just ~6 years away if Moore's law holds. It's also likely that memory requirements will be shrunk through software and ML improvements.

I don’t think RAM on phones has been increasing exponentially? For good reason — it uses a lot of power.

It has been increasing. In iPhones went from 128MB to 6GB, and there are Android phones with 18GB now.

RAM hasn't been increasing as steeply as it could, but if there's a strong use-case for it, it may happen. Also consider that Apple is in control of the whole chipset and software, so they could implement things like turning the extra RAM on only during ML computation.

Re: Transformer architecture optimized for Apple Silicon

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OpenAI's relationship with Microsoft pretty much makes it big tech. I think you have a point as long Apple keeps innovating its hardware, but it's not really a David vs Goliath situation.

Nvidia is also no David to Apple’s Goliath. They are both Goliaths who will most likely be battling to build the best hardware for LLMs in the near future.

NVDA has the potential to hit huge profit growth in the short term, but not long term

Re: Transformer architecture optimized for Apple Silicon

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> Apple has a ridiculous, almost unfathomably deep moat for training and running personalised, customised LLMs and other AI models on the 'edge' with these Apple Silicon chips in all their devices. Do they? I can completely fathom, given my own anecdotal experiences, how garbage Siri quality is today. I haven't built anything against Siri APIs, but I've used Siri and various integrations and every single time I give…

> how garbage Siri quality is today a few notes on this - siri is incredibly underinvested. They have another team that's building some sort of search and natural language processing engine, that has slowly sapped away some key headcount from the siri team. - apple doesn't get the full advantage of tons of user data from the wild. this is both a bug and a feature - the siri api model is clearly generations old, and i…

> apple has shipped everything required for you to point at a light /in your house/ to turn it on or off (and optionally flick). this includes software - the individual components are built and ready - the only thing missing is gluing it together

Could you expand on this bit? I’m pretty deep in the Apple ecosystem, but I’m not sure what you’re referencing here

Re: Transformer architecture optimized for Apple Silicon

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Reminded me of one of the cooler uses of old iphones.[1] These old phones are going to continue being useful long after their initial life as a phone. As long as apple doesn't act like apple and lock everything down.

1 - https://findthatmeme.com/blog/2023/01/08/image-stacks-and-ip...

Re: Transformer architecture optimized for Apple Silicon

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i'd say within 5 years apple will have optimized apple silicon and their tech, along with language model improvements, such that you will be able to get gpt-4 level performance in the iPhone 19 with inference happening entirely locally. openai is doing great work and is serious competition, but I think many underestimate big tech. once they're properly motivated they'll catch up quick. I think we can agree that opena…

This will be the AI killer app for whoever pulls it off first. GPT-4 or higher performance on a device as nice as an iPhone...will create so many new capabilities for smart phones. It's going to be an amazing time for tech in the near future and beyond.

Re: Transformer architecture optimized for Apple Silicon

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i'd say within 5 years apple will have optimized apple silicon and their tech, along with language model improvements, such that you will be able to get gpt-4 level performance in the iPhone 19 with inference happening entirely locally. openai is doing great work and is serious competition, but I think many underestimate big tech. once they're properly motivated they'll catch up quick. I think we can agree that opena…

I really think you have hit the nail on the head here. Apple has a ridiculous, almost unfathomably deep moat for training and running personalised, customised LLMs and other AI models on the 'edge' with these Apple Silicon chips in all their devices. We must be talking orders of magnitude differences in operational cost, not to mention completely unique features like privacy. The very definition of disruption, waitin…

Yeah, Apple is slower to adopt some things but I noticed when they hit it...they knock the ball not just out of the park...they elevate the entire game.

I dominated a 13" mbp m1 for like two solid years on hardcore startup software engineering. The base model. It was almost entirely perfect until the last few months when I upgraded to the new 16".

These are alien devices. They're just not possible yet here I am using one.

Re: Transformer architecture optimized for Apple Silicon

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That's highly unlikely. I think most people can't fathom how huge is the scale of GPT-4 and what computing power it requires. Even if 10x optimizations, 10x performance and 10x memory (highly unlikely in 5 years) that's not going to be sufficient to run it locally.

I think people are overestimating how many parameters GPT-4 is really trained on. While also overestimating how many parameters anybody really needs after fine tuning. The market will find the sweet spot. Right now everyone’s tinkering with the 7B parameter LLM and then going to move up to the 65B one once they've refined the process. I think its fiction that anybody really needs a 10 trillion parameter LLM at all. I…

Fine-tuning is a solved problem using transformer adapters which are fast, small and match regular fine-tuning, so that's not an issue. As for smaller models, their usefulness will quickly wane when they will be seen as producing trivial gibberish in the light of cloud models available in 5 years.

Re: Transformer architecture optimized for Apple Silicon

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> how garbage Siri quality is today a few notes on this - siri is incredibly underinvested. They have another team that's building some sort of search and natural language processing engine, that has slowly sapped away some key headcount from the siri team. - apple doesn't get the full advantage of tons of user data from the wild. this is both a bug and a feature - the siri api model is clearly generations old, and i…

“Yes Siri is garbage but it doesn’t matter because Apple are probably working on a top secret new thing that will blow everyone else out of the water” You might be right but there’s no real evidence for it yet.

Lots of things with Apple come out of nowhere. In this case there's actually quite a bit more evidence than usual because of all the fielded, underutilized hardware that's ready to go— when it launches, it'll likely be available on millions of devices, rather than as something you have to get the latest hardware to have, as is the case when the camera or screen undergoes a drastic improvement, or there's a new feature like wireless charging or NFC payments.
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