Stanford’s war against its own students

Post by Panzer04 » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 10:31 PM UTC

ModernMech wrote: post #118

rocket_surgeron wrote: post #102

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>Is this normal!?! I feel sorry for this generation. Attempts to make their world risk free has turned it into "fuck up once and we'll destroy you". If the students would simply stop raping people and dying of fentanyl overdoses which lead to their parents suing the school I'm sure Stanford would not have as many rules for what occurs on campus. Or we can choose as a society to free Stanford of civil liability for th…

> It is normal, typical, common, and expected for universities in the United States to completely prohibit alcohol consumption on campus. My question is: why does this article try so hard to make it seem like it’s not typical?

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 10:33 PM UTC

nitwit005 wrote: post #101

Psychlist wrote: post #53

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I think the core bit you've missed is: Stanford explicitly selects for perfectionists by requiring extremely high standards of (most) students. Those students have spend several years working very hard to get in, aware that even the slightest mis-step can cost them everything they've worked for. But they're surrounded by people trying to help them get in. Then they get to Stanford and discover that the university adm…

This isn't an issue of a student being "imperfect". The issue is actual criminality. Throwing hot coffee at someone is an assault. People have been arrested for throwing coffee at cashiers.

Post by testfoobar » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 10:36 PM UTC

tqi wrote: post #87

bennysonething wrote: post #16

"For the past several years, Stanford has required students to adhere to a Student Party Policy, which includes a highly detailed “Harm Reduction Plan” mandating multiple sober monitors and designated alcohol service areas, and prohibiting the serving of any hard liquor. Party hosts must also provide “EANABs,” or Equally Attractive Non-Alcoholic Beverages, to “contribute to an inclusive and inviting experience” for a…

> Attempts to make their world risk free has turned it into "fuck up once and we'll destroy you". TBH I think it is a much bigger problem that low-stakes hyper-local issues have been elevated into proxy battles for national politics. Truly, the fact that anyone who is not either attending or administering this university cares about their party policy at all (let alone enough to write about it professionally) is comp…

Post by dahwolf » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 10:41 PM UTC

giraffe_lady wrote: post #120

dahwolf wrote: post #109

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There's nowhere else to go if you do not subscribe to left wing orthodoxy. Even centrists and center-left nowadays aren't ideologically pure enough, and thus also "right-wing". Recently a feminist on Twitter expressed this problem quite well. She was pushing back against the toxic parts of radical feminism which she considered counter productive. But in doing so, got a lot of heat from the radicals. She's very much l…

That sounds like an interesting dynamic but not really relevant to bari weiss consistently endorsing right wing positions and figures and so being accurately described as a rightwing attention seeker, which was the original topic. I don't know anything about the specific situation you're alluding to so can't responsibly comment. But "the leftists made me turn to the right" has been an excuse as long as I can remember…

Post by libraryatnight » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 10:42 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #62

libraryatnight wrote: post #56

I can't take the use of "war" in this headline seriously at all. Why is everything framed so threateningly? Maybe this is a bad policy, but it seems to me they want to ensure on-campus, official student organization run, parties that serve alcohol do so responsibly and provide other drinks so people don't feel like they have to drink booze. Maybe they've gone too far in another direction, but seems something Standfor…

I don't like that either and if someone can suggest a better title (i.e. more accurate and neutral, preferably using representative language from the article itself), we'd be happy to change it.