Live data from Hacker News

The Five Stages of Hosting

blog.pinboard.in

91–100 of 184 posts

Re: The Five Stages of Hosting

#91
post #87
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My hoster of many years charges for a similar setup 60 EUR, "unlimited" bandwidth (whatever you can pump though 100Mbit within a month), RAID10, etc, 75 GB external backup, as a managed server. And at another big hosting company you get an even bigger package for 45 EUR, not managed though. However, I remember that hosting in the US is surprisingly expensive for some reason, and has been for many years. Don't know wh…

What company are you using?

Also have a look at OVH's Kimsufi brand: http://www.kimsufi.com/fr/

i7 + 24GB RAM + 2TB disc + 100Mbps for €50

(they geo-restrict their plans, and I think only the French get unlimited bandwidth; UK people have to survive on "just" 15TB/month, for example)

Re: The Five Stages of Hosting

#92
Pinboard needs to filter some of the bookmarks that are coming in the site. In the recent stream I constantly see links to depraved sexual acts, including physical and sexual abuse.

Often these links are fan fiction but sometimes they are not.

Who is reading this stuff and why? What kind of behaviour does this inspire? And why do all Pinboard subscribers need to be exposed to this?

Re: The Five Stages of Hosting

#93
post #32

This is an amazing article. I intended to write such a blog article myself. One aspect I intended to cover (and will now do so here) is that of cost. I get very frustrated by cash-strapped startups which from day one are expecting to be 'web-scale' and need to turn up machines at the drop of a hat. Lets get real. I HOPE you have to worry about that... much, much later. I'm quite pleased you started your article menti…

I think you are implying that cloud servers are different than Virtual Private Servers. I am new to this, so forgive my ignorance, but how are they different? Is it just that effectively that with standard cloud server options, you can spin up new/multiple instances, whereas with a VPS, you've just got the one? Or is it more about how it is all handled in the background?

One of the differences is how VPS and "cloud" is metered: typically monthly (may be prorated daily) for VPSs and hourly for cloud servers like EC2. You can spin multiple instances in both cases, the more differences come in play if you start using cloud-specific features like load balancer, cloud storage (ie S3), etc

Re: The Five Stages of Hosting

#94
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why do so many startups (and even established businesses like reddit and Netflix) use EC2?

Reddit and Netflix have entirely different models at their 'web-scale' They actually DO need to be able to scale servers up and down based on demand-usage, time of day, growth patterns, etc. For them, the extra EC2 cost is negated by being able to spin up an extra 400 instances in the evenings, and turn them back down after everyone goes to sleep. Under the dedicated server model they'd ALWAYS need to have an extra 4…

Also, reddit used to have different budgets for servers (lots) and people (very little), so anything that reduced system administration was a win.

Re: The Five Stages of Hosting

#95
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why do so many startups (and even established businesses like reddit and Netflix) use EC2?

Reddit and Netflix have entirely different models at their 'web-scale' They actually DO need to be able to scale servers up and down based on demand-usage, time of day, growth patterns, etc. For them, the extra EC2 cost is negated by being able to spin up an extra 400 instances in the evenings, and turn them back down after everyone goes to sleep. Under the dedicated server model they'd ALWAYS need to have an extra 4…

Also, they probably get much better rates from Amazon than you or I.

Re: The Five Stages of Hosting

#97
post #89
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What company are you using?

It may be Hetzner (Germany). They have a 45 € root server with i7 quadcore, 16 Gb RAM, 2 x 3 Tb Disk (link: http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produ... ). I'm very content with what they provide, even good/friendly support.

In my opinion a very good choice. I run a EX4 Box there and i'm more than satisfied with the service they provide.

Recently i fired up a Support Request around 5am and got a response 6am when their support team picks up work. during the day you usually don't have to wait longer than one hour for a support response.

They have awesome hardware for reasonable prices... i migrated everything i own from ec2 to one EX4 box with 8 cores and 16 gig of ram for less than i payed at EC2...

Re: The Five Stages of Hosting

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had some poor experiences with dedicated servers at well known providers. Essentially if the hardware fails, they'd rather fix it than get you into something new so you can be back up and running. My site ended up offline for several hours, several times, so that some tech could run hardware diagnostics, etc. EC2 may be expensive, but if anything goes wrong, I can boot another instance in seconds and abandon the ol…

What dedicated hosts did you use? We've been using Softlayer for years with ~100 servers and have never had this problem. No host is perfect but overall it's been a good experience and a lot cheaper than EC2.

I love Softlayer. Excellent facilities, hardware, network and people. I just wish their RAM pricing wasn't so insane... $200/mo forever to add a $80 8GB stick.

Re: The Five Stages of Hosting

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why do so many startups (and even established businesses like reddit and Netflix) use EC2?

Reddit very much regretted using Amazon EC2 EBS disks for their site according to their blog. It killed their site for almost entire days, many times, for a long time. It's taken them months to undo that decision.

That was just EBS, not EC2 or any of the other AWS products. Most of AWS is fairly solid AFAIK, just expensive at certain scales.

Re: The Five Stages of Hosting

#100
post #14

as someone that has done colocation, dedicated hosting, and VPS, i'm a huge fan of dedicated hosting. colocation was expensive and the hardware problems were all mine. i was pretty much tied to my local datacenter because i didn't want to ship a server around (which would be at least a day of downtime). pricing can be hard to compare because of power/space/bandwidth. if the equipment i colocated didn't have IPMI supp…

Off-topic piece of advice: Not capitalizing your sentences severely degrades the readability of your post.
Post reply on HN