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Block: Inflated user metrics and “frictionless” fraud facilitation

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Re: Block: Inflated user metrics and “frictionless” fraud facilitation

#171

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This is not CashApp's responsibility to fix any more than it would be the US Treasury's responsibility to fix if I hand them a $100 bill.

If they ask for $10 and you give them a $100 asking for change yes it is the police's job to fix.

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Re: Block: Inflated user metrics and “frictionless” fraud facilitation

#172

FYI if anyone is interested I can prove it -- Cash App is engaged in a massive stock trading fraud. I noticed one day that my books were off (down) by 1 penny. When I dug into it, I figured out that Cash App is providing their customers with conflicting reports for their stock sales. In the app, the sales report rounds pennies up, in the actual sale, whose records are only available through more complex data export p…

Isn't this the plot of Swordfish?

Trivia: The title of the movie “Swordfish” is named after an old Marx Brothers routine from the movie “Horse Feathers, “ which revolves around an illegal speakeasy’s password to get in.

Which is, of course, “swordfish.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySqec8WrEQQ

Re: Block: Inflated user metrics and “frictionless” fraud facilitation

#174

I didn't know Square had changed their name to Block. Looks like it happened in December 2021: https://investors.block.xyz/news/news-details/2021/Square-In... That said this really seems overblown. The report seems to mostly just talk about Cash App. Square Payments, Weebly and TIDAL are not even mentioned. Afterpay is mentioned but that was a 2022 acquisition so the problems likely predate Block's involvement. It fe…

Some parts are overblown, financial blacklisting sex workers is a waste of everyone’s time and resources. Conflating all sex work with sex trafficking is … consistent, but useless and inaccurate.

Flouting FinCEN and other US agency regulations would be a valuable problem

Many of FinCEN’s regulations are stupid and investors bidding up shares on user metrics is also dumb, but if any investor purchased based on poor metrics then that will be an expensive problem

the regulatory slaps will be expensive either way

The interchange issue is hard to tell about its value, but looking at Paypal’s issue with the SEC can provide clues

Is Hindenburg double dipping on whistleblower reports to the SEC?

Re: Block: Inflated user metrics and “frictionless” fraud facilitation

#175

"CEO Jack Dorsey has publicly touted how Cash App is mentioned in hundreds of hip hop songs as evidence of its mainstream appeal. A review of those songs show that the artists are not generally rapping about Cash App’s smooth user interface—many describe using it to scam, traffic drugs or even pay for murder." Hindenburg made a music video compiling the references that is...uh...worth watching: https://www.youtube.co…

Correct. A scam here in Baltimore that keeps occurring is that the squeege kids will run up on someone unsuspecting and start cleaning their windshield. They will pressure the driver for a tip, and the driver will say they don’t have cash of course. They will say that’s cool, you can send me a tip. They ask the driver for their phone so they can look up their cashapp for them, and bam the driver got scammed. What’s h…

I feel like there should be two levels of unlocked phones 1 which is full unlocked (access key apps, photos, settings, etc.) and like a guest mode (phone, web browser, weather app, calculator, etc)

Re: Block: Inflated user metrics and “frictionless” fraud facilitation

#176

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That is entirely on you if you give away your phone to those kids. I would think they would just run away with it

I was born outside the US and we had local gangsters that would walk up to you in the middle of the street and try to “sell” you a brick. Like a brick that you build a house or wall with. They would show it to you, and tell you that it was a great brick and that you should buy it. If you told them you didn’t want the brick, they would assure you that yes you most certainly do want the brick. You then bought the brick…

> I'm not familiar with this situation, but I'm assuming that whoever is doing this isn't there to "clean" your windshield, and that the entire "transaction" is imbued with the implicit threat of violence

not in the US - millions of people keep loaded guns in their vehicles

Re: Block: Inflated user metrics and “frictionless” fraud facilitation

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The “innovations” of many (but not all) post-2008 unicorns are more about creating a legal grey area to bypass regulation than they are actual technological advances. Uber and Airbnb are prime examples. If Uber was forced to used licensed cab drivers or Airbnb forced to use licensed hotels, you would see the breadth of what these companies actually bring to the table, which isn’t nearly as much as their valuations wo…

Yes, if Uber was forced to use the government cab cartel, then it wouldn't be better than the taxis. The entire point is they made taxis that actually work by getting around the taxi cartel.

Did they make it work though? Function yes, profittably, not yet.

Re: Block: Inflated user metrics and “frictionless” fraud facilitation

#178
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On the one hand it's obvious that the Hindenburg people are right on this when they say that Block's app is used for criminal activities and money laundering. On the other hand that's what we get for trying to push cash itself more and more outside the boundaries of modern society. That video in a way made me root for the bad guys, a no-cash society where petty crime doesn't happen because the powers that be control…

What racial aspect? Please explain

I've explicitly mentioned that these analysts used only black people as the "criminals" in their example video. Interesting that it flew right past them.

Re: Block: Inflated user metrics and “frictionless” fraud facilitation

#179

FYI if anyone is interested I can prove it -- Cash App is engaged in a massive stock trading fraud. I noticed one day that my books were off (down) by 1 penny. When I dug into it, I figured out that Cash App is providing their customers with conflicting reports for their stock sales. In the app, the sales report rounds pennies up, in the actual sale, whose records are only available through more complex data export p…

This is at the core of Superman III. Richard Priors' character notices his paycheck gets rounded down, he writes an app to harvest up the rounded down tenths of pennies...

Isn't this also the premise of the Office Space scheme?

Re: Block: Inflated user metrics and “frictionless” fraud facilitation

#180

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Looks like it's an easy way to make money, SEC won't do nothing of course.

What role would the SEC have? First amendment demands the freedom to publish whatever truthful information you want and there’s no restriction on profiting from “outside” information. If allegations in the report are false, the traders face legal liability. If they’re true but the market disagrees with the impact, they’ll lose money on the trades. What specific thing should the SEC be policing here?

Don't see any specific allegations, just a lot of rap song quotations and random opinions, all emotionally charged. That smells bad, just as that decade long Tether FUD that went nowhere. Anyway, just gonna buy the stock for a quick buck)
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