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When did New York start building slowly?

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Re: When did New York start building slowly?

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Britain feels even more corrupt than the US.

In Britain you can be based in any other country and still get a fair hearing in the courts, even if you are claiming against a British business. I'm not aware of anywhere else in the World where this is the case.

> I'm not aware of anywhere else in the World where this is the case.

Have you even looked?

How about Singapore? Or even Switzerland or Germany?

Re: When did New York start building slowly?

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There’s another very important factor about Moses that people overlook. They did things in-house. There’s an anecdote in the book about how they had a building on Randall’s Island with 100 draftsmen on call at any time. The minute the federal government announced more money was released they’d whip up designs for highways or bridges before anyone else and have the proposal in. There’s a lot of stories like that. Mose…

When each level of company extracts it’s profit, and is doing what it can to maximize profit, it’s not surprising what the end result is. Cities used to/should have public works departments. Not hire a contractor who hires a paver who rents the machinery to fix a pothole. The city should just own it all and hire someone as it will forever need to fix potholes.

They could also privatise the streets instead.

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> European and East Asian You just basically named two continents and said they build faster than the US and you're accusing someone else of simplistic takes? Which European country builds infrastructure faster than the US?

I'll bite. He is probably talking about Hongkong, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, China. They all build infra much faster than the US. If we move south, then Malaysia and Singapore also build very fast. For Europe, France builds much faster than the US, but it is more centralised.

I wouldn't mention Malaysia and Singapore in the same breadth. Even if compared to Singapore, they both look fast.

Re: When did New York start building slowly?

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On which side? The faster side, I'm guessing?

both. corruption favors the powerful. in established cities the powerful own land and don't want it changed, in new ones it's the developers and govt.

Europe's cities are arguably more established than American ones, aren't they?

Tokyo has also been around for ages.

Re: When did New York start building slowly?

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I don’t think this is obvious or even necessarily true. Europe has many things going against it as well, language barriers, split markets, generally being quite a bit poorer than the US. Moreover it doesn’t explain the performance of East Asian countries at all.

It would greatly explain the performance of East Asian countries. They share the same environmental challenges whereas in the US the challenges are vastly different depending on which coast you are near. Of course China had less red tape (no pun intended) in some regards for development than the other East Asian countries so it executes even faster than its peers. I think its more of a slam dunk than comparing Europe…

> It would greatly explain the performance of East Asian countries. They share the same environmental challenges whereas in the US the challenges are vastly different depending on which coast you are near.

Huh? East Asian countries differ greatly from each other.

And the bigger countries, like China, differ vastly by region. Just like the US.

Re: When did New York start building slowly?

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This is interesting stuff, but the article was focused on the actual construction phase, not the pre-construction planning and approvals. The duration of those is a related problem but not the one Brian was looking at.

That's the delivery part. There is no room to stage anything on the site, so the mad 24/7 logistics nightmare has to happen during the entire construction process. There are 2 million more people in NYC now than there was in the old highrise heyday and that doesn't count commuters. That's a lot more traffic to have to negotiate. Not being able to physically deliver enough materials during the construction phase is an…

How do Asian cities manage all those factors?

Re: When did New York start building slowly?

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I can't speak too much to the first several points, but noting - agency micromanagement of contractors - general red tape is very fitting and a direct contribution to - too little competition I worked with a startup company ~8 years ago that wanted to go after government contracts. According to the owners, everyone they demo'd the product to said it was very clearly superior to what they were currently using. Unfortu…

> the people that sign off on paying for it. Those people had checklists of irrelevant requirements, slow response times, almost certainly pressure to select "certain" vendors This reads like a lack of democratic influence and even direct corruption. That is, these "stakeholders" are not concerned that the voters would be unhappy with their performance, and would fire them (directly or through an action of a newly el…

I'm not sure. Too me it reads like why too much democracy..

Re: When did New York start building slowly?

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Behind the bastards has an episode about Robert Moses. https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236...

Much better is Robert Caro's masterful _The Power Broker_.

I believe they used it as a source for the podcast.

Re: When did New York start building slowly?

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Speed is affected by process, and process evolves in reaction to abuse. In the beginning, it's quick to do everything, but as people take advantage - routing contracts to friends, taking safety shortcuts - rules get put into place and those rules affect the time to complete. For New York specifically there's another factor that it's strange the article omitted: Robert Moses. Prior to the mid-1960s, it was fairly simp…

This reminds me of what Dan Carlin called "rolling the monarchy dice" in his Hardcore History podcast. If you get a good dictator, things get done with little friction, because the power rests on a single person's shoulders. But if you get a bad one, you're stuck with it. Democracy might be slower and less inefficient, but it's reliably slower and less efficient.

Interestingly, in situations where a bad roll of the monarchy dice isn't a big deal because people can just leave, dictatorship tends to become the preferred form of government. See for example open source projects with their BDFL; if you have a bad BDFL the project gets forked with new leadership. Another example are small to medium sized businesses, where customers and employees can just go elsewhere if the CEO turns bad. Notably once a company reaches a critical size it tends to become more like a democracy, with both investors and employees demanding a seat on the table, because "just go somewhere else" becomes less of an option.
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