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Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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$50+ in monthly subscription fees? BRB buying some MSFT

It is basically free if you consider companies will be automating a lot of the dev grunt work for now on. Learning to code using tools like Copilot will be a requirement, but instead of 10 developers you hire 1.

The amount of dev work isn’t fixed. I think it’s more likely that they’ll keep the 10 (or even hire more) and make more software.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/17718-github-copilot Made by GitHub.

? Did you even read the thread? It's about Copilot X, not Copilot. I use Copilot in Intellij daily, and that's exact what I'm worrying about: once MS's AI tools get big enough, they won't be so friendly to third-party IDEs. It's not a stretch at all . Take a look at Copilot's homepage: https://github.com/features/copilot > Keep flying with your favorite editor Now, look at Copilot X's announcement: > We are bringing…

Of course I did, did you read the forum rules?

They’re releasing their editors first. Just like they did the last time. Obviously.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Counterpoint: how often do you as a developer create something totally novel that has never been built before?

I'm not sure what you mean by novel, but every development project will always have requirements that are unique to solve their own respective business/domain problems. These unique, specialized requirements are further compounded by cultural and personal quirks that human stakeholders demand, making developments project essentially "novel". Current language models fail even with simple minor variations on existing p…

I can guarantee for most people 95% of what anyone is doing has been done before. AI can do all that in no time at all. Give it a few years.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Great point. Time to do research on how much GitHub contributes to msft earnings. Really does seem like they’re on the verge of a huge jump

They are bragging about 1m developers on copilot, let's say 20$/m to be generous - that's 20m$/month - they probably have larger single client revenues than that and I doubt copilot is high margin (I bet I spend more than 10$/month in compute by the queries I generate). Unless this goes to hundreds of dollars/month (which I would pay if it was a good experience) I don't see this making a dent.

The upsell is easy to envision though. Just like GitHub.

If developers all use it for their own projects, you have a viral growth engine. And you can charge a lot more for the enterprise license.

SAML, fine-tuning on your private repos, etc. - this could be a very expensive seat with all the options added.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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There are 5 different sign-up waiting lists. Each one needs to be signed-up for separately. [1] Copilot X: https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/ [2] Copilot Voice: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-voice/ [3] Copilot Docs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-docs/ [4] Copilot for PRs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-pull-requests/ [5] Copilot CLI: https://githubnext.com/pro…

Soon - Introducing Copilot Copilot - to help you navigate the Copilot offerings.

No, more like Github Autopilot - to write all the code for you.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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> information disappears Wait really? I've never seen that happen on Discord, I can still see messages from over half a decade ago. Why would they delete data they mine? Slack on the other hand deletes everything immediately if you're not on the paid plan of course.

Not _immediately_ I think it's after 10,000 messages they start to remove some.

That 10k messages amount to less than a day in a highly active business.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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You can adversarially frame "ability to intelligently answer questions" or act as an "intelligent assistant" to "ability to search google" but those are different things. I'm comparing the use case of the former as an end user. Siri will often uselessly "find results on the web and send them to my iPhone". Google can answer more queries directly as well as do basic timer setting stuff. The thing you're missing is the…

My advice would be "don't expect them to do anything with LLM or similar so that when they don't, you won't be disappointed." Expecting Apple (or any company) to be chasing the current hype is more likely to be disappointing (see Google and Bard or Bing and its mistakes). Apple, with its very cautious nature for curation of its brand image would likely be some time out. I would also point out that Apple's prominent p…

I agree w parent that the end user is who matters--Siri is just not very good at answering what seem like basic questions.

What made google amazing was it settled conversational disputes or provided instant (if limited) familiarity on a subject. Siri fails to provide verbal feedback on relatively simple questions, instead referring people to their iPhones for "web results."

As an end user, the product's failure understand or make sense of the intent of a user is even harder to deal with in Home / HomeKit. I often find myself pulling up the Home app to hunt down and manually operate some accessory because voice requests are just failing.

Common patterns happen throughout a home covered in HomeKit and Homepods and yet this AI is unable to provide reasonable suggestions for automation modifications, scene tweaks or suggestions for additional accessories.

Siri-based requests for songs or albums from Apple Music on HomePod is abysmal, providing covers, or flat out wrong genre, wrong era that my listening habits should well weight away from.

It is just bad--architecture design be damned the product fails under "normal" use. Outwardly, it seems like a MobileMe-level failure, where SJ asked at a town hall "Can anyone tell me what MobileMe is supposed to do?"

All that said, I agree with this comment that it is a mistake to expect Apple to integrate LLM that uses any known model into its product.

Even if Apple wanted to, I don't know where the company could source data that is manicured to "safe" enough to serve as a basis for responses by Siri.

It doesn't really matter, to end users how they fix it.

The company's job is to drop the product or iterate until it figures out how to better satisfy they end user.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Someone asked me to pay for a team subscription for Copilot. As I'm CTO (and thus legally responsible for those agreements that you normally just click through); I read the terms of service, and they do not actually grant license to the code. They say in very clear terms: YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING SUGGESTIONS. So, as I don't want to encourage people to think that they can simply copy over copilot solutions I dec…

There's also another risk, which is that copilot generated code may not be copyrightable[1]. I'm not sure how that would play out as part of a large codebase, but something to watch closely. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-copyright-office-says-so... > The office reiterated Wednesday that copyright protection depends on the amount of human creativity involved, and that the most popular AI systems likely do no…

In the UK, AI's operator gets copyright instead.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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One should expect both.

Increased productivity usually leads to cutting team size instead of expanding scope. A lot easier to justify doing the same work you have been doing with less, as opposed to doing new work with the same number of people.

Yes, possibly because it is riskier to get to more fields of work than do the same work with less effort.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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As someone who is not familiar with these sorts of accessibility challenges, what makes copilot voice terrible?

It doesn't seem to understand anything I say, it also required installing Java! Felt like I'd gone back in time to 2012 or something.

Eww, Java?
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