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Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by raincole »

pastor_bob wrote: post #393
gzer0 wrote: post #169

There are 5 different sign-up waiting lists. Each one needs to be signed-up for separately. [1] Copilot X: https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/ [2] Copilot Voice: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-voice/ [3] Copilot Docs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-docs/ [4] Copilot for PRs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-pull-requests/ [5] Copilot CLI: https://githubnext.com/pro…

$50+ in monthly subscription fees? BRB buying some MSFT

What worris me is not the price. It's that they mention it as a VSCode and VS feature, not as an API.

So what if I use Intellij? And worse, would it eventually kill Intellij?

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by wahnfrieden »

raincole wrote: post #711
pastor_bob wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$50+ in monthly subscription fees? BRB buying some MSFT

What worris me is not the price. It's that they mention it as a VSCode and VS feature, not as an API. So what if I use Intellij? And worse, would it eventually kill Intellij?

Welcome to capitalism where competition is supposedly good

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by [deleted] »

paxys wrote: post #407
pastor_bob wrote: post #393

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$50+ in monthly subscription fees? BRB buying some MSFT

We forgot very quickly that there was an entire generation of developers who paid $1000-2000 or more for an MSDN subscription just as the base cost for doing business. This is what Microsoft does.

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Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by adeelk93 »

smcleod wrote: post #596
gzer0 wrote: post #169

There are 5 different sign-up waiting lists. Each one needs to be signed-up for separately. [1] Copilot X: https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/ [2] Copilot Voice: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-voice/ [3] Copilot Docs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-docs/ [4] Copilot for PRs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-pull-requests/ [5] Copilot CLI: https://githubnext.com/pro…

I really like copilot, I've used it every day since it was in a closed alpha. Copilot voice however - is hilariously terrible in comparison.

As someone who is not familiar with these sorts of accessibility challenges, what makes copilot voice terrible?

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by GeneralMaximus »

scandox wrote: post #222
brookst wrote: post #90

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It’s the same with every paradigm shift. “GUIs are pretty but slow. Ok, they’re faster but just glued on to CLI programs. Ok, they’re native but less information dense. Ok, that’s a good thing, but…” “The internet is nice but you still have to go to the store/bank. Ok, you can shop/bank online but you still have to call airlines. Ok you can buy airline tickets but you still have to go to the library to research. Ok,…

Your overall point is reasonable, but to take your point about GUIs...we actually lost an awful lot moving from text based interfaces going to GUI. We got universal adoption and more or less zero training required...but we got very slow and inflexible interfaces.

I use tons of GUI apps with mostly a keyboard (or sometimes only a keyboard). For example, my Git client of choice is Tower, and I’m able to get all my work done without taking my hands off the keyboard. It took me a bit of time to get used to the shortcuts, but now I’m able to work off my muscle memory.

Well written GUI apps will always have good support for keyboard-only use. This is doubly true for apps that care deeply about accessibility, since some people have disabilities that make it hard for them to use a mouse or trackpad.

On the other hand, TUIs will never support non-Latin scripts properly, or have good support for screen readers, or be easily discoverable without a manual, or have uniform automation support using native automation APIs. In my view, CLIs are strictly inferior to GUIs unless you’re putting together data pipelines.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by smcleod »

adeelk93 wrote: post #714
smcleod wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really like copilot, I've used it every day since it was in a closed alpha. Copilot voice however - is hilariously terrible in comparison.

As someone who is not familiar with these sorts of accessibility challenges, what makes copilot voice terrible?

It doesn't seem to understand anything I say, it also required installing Java! Felt like I'd gone back in time to 2012 or something.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by brundolf »

drdrek wrote: post #167

I would love to hear from other people here but I tried it for a while and dropped my subscription. For short things it was nice, but the larger the suggestion the worst it got. I found myself constantly mentally debugging the output it suggested, I do not know if it was faster but I was mentally exhausted by it, unable to go for long periods of time. Dumb code completion is predictable, I know I'll need to press dow…

I haven't tried it yet, but this was how I assumed I would feel

Something I'm actually more optimistic/curious about is the potential for code analysis, like an advanced linter. "Tell me if you think you see any bugs in this code." That's something I would totally use even as an experienced programmer working in an older, slow-going codebase (maybe especially in those)

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by Godel_unicode »

raincole wrote: post #711
pastor_bob wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$50+ in monthly subscription fees? BRB buying some MSFT

What worris me is not the price. It's that they mention it as a VSCode and VS feature, not as an API. So what if I use Intellij? And worse, would it eventually kill Intellij?

https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/17718-github-copilot

Made by GitHub.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by raincole »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #718
raincole wrote: post #711

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What worris me is not the price. It's that they mention it as a VSCode and VS feature, not as an API. So what if I use Intellij? And worse, would it eventually kill Intellij?

https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/17718-github-copilot Made by GitHub.

? Did you even read the thread? It's about Copilot X, not Copilot. I use Copilot in Intellij daily, and that's exact what I'm worrying about: once MS's AI tools get big enough, they won't be so friendly to third-party IDEs.

It's not a stretch at all. Take a look at Copilot's homepage: https://github.com/features/copilot

> Keep flying with your favorite editor

Now, look at Copilot X's announcement:

> We are bringing a chat interface to the editor that’s focused on developer scenarios and natively integrates with VS Code and Visual Studio

> It recognizes what code a developer has typed, what error messages are shown, and it’s deeply embedded into the IDE.

It reads like "we're going to make AI a competitive advantage of VS and VScode." Of course they have the right to do it, I'm just saying I hate it.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by Godel_unicode »

_boffin_ wrote: post #476
rvz wrote: post #469

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> BRB buying some MSFT No. Tell me you buy the hype and on high impact macro-economic news like FOMC and lose more money due to volatility without telling me. Almost everyone here knew GPT-4 will release soon, months ago in advance and you now decide to 'buy' MSFT as soon as it goes up to $277? The market really does get retail FOMO'ing in stocks with the hype and it just never ceases to surprise me that it happens h…

I think you have a valid point or two, but I think you’re not grasping how much enterprises will be throwing money at MSFT.

GitHub is already give or take a billion dollar business, and Microsoft is orders of magnitude bigger than that. This will be a nice little sideline for someone but it’s at least as valuable for mindshare as revenue.
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