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Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by gonehome »

shagie wrote: post #686
gonehome wrote: post #677

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They open with what they want it to be “intelligent assistant” and then show the capabilities it currently had. Since that time in 2011 it has gotten no closer to “intelligent assistant”. That’s a failure imo. Google’s is much better at answering basic queries.

Google's voice assistant is an interface to google cloud applications. Siri is an interface to a limited set of the apps on the iPhone. These are fundamentally different architectures for how how each was designed along with implications for privacy and where the company has compute resources that can be used. If you are after a general knowledge search engine, Google will certainly out preform Siri. Google has bette…

You can adversarially frame "ability to intelligently answer questions" or act as an "intelligent assistant" to "ability to search google" but those are different things. I'm comparing the use case of the former as an end user.

Siri will often uselessly "find results on the web and send them to my iPhone". Google can answer more queries directly as well as do basic timer setting stuff. The thing you're missing is the implementation detail is irrelevant to the end user, it's an issue of capability.

Your point about Apple being worse at cloud is partly what I'm talking about (and one of the reasons siri is so much worse). It's why Apple has not done a good job with this up until now. I don't buy the "it's intentionally not capable/bad by design because that's what they were going for" argument.

My prediction is Apple will make some sort of move here. Whether that's an investment in stable diffusion or something else I don't know. I expect what they do to have an apple flavor (on-device, privacy focused), but I think it will be leveraged to make Siri actually useful (and more of an actually intelligent and capable assistant).

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by shagie »

gonehome wrote: post #691
shagie wrote: post #686

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's voice assistant is an interface to google cloud applications. Siri is an interface to a limited set of the apps on the iPhone. These are fundamentally different architectures for how how each was designed along with implications for privacy and where the company has compute resources that can be used. If you are after a general knowledge search engine, Google will certainly out preform Siri. Google has bette…

You can adversarially frame "ability to intelligently answer questions" or act as an "intelligent assistant" to "ability to search google" but those are different things. I'm comparing the use case of the former as an end user. Siri will often uselessly "find results on the web and send them to my iPhone". Google can answer more queries directly as well as do basic timer setting stuff. The thing you're missing is the…

My advice would be "don't expect them to do anything with LLM or similar so that when they don't, you won't be disappointed."

Expecting Apple (or any company) to be chasing the current hype is more likely to be disappointing (see Google and Bard or Bing and its mistakes). Apple, with its very cautious nature for curation of its brand image would likely be some time out.

I would also point out that Apple's prominent place in regulatory views would make it more hesitant to do things that they may have to open up.

Wait until after the regulatory dust has settled... and after the various lawsuits about copyright infringement or section 230 and GPT have settled ( https://www.marketplace.org/shows/marketplace-tech/chatgpt-i... ).

I don't believe that Apple has any appetite for becoming more of a target for government regulators or wading into untested legal waters. But that's my crystal ball - yours apparently sees different things.

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Post by ImaCake »

fwlr wrote: post #635
nlh wrote: post #246

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I think you may be missing the intended audience for this — it’s aimed at folks who are visually or otherwise impaired and cannot type using a traditional keyboard/input device.

Speaking to your computer is just as valid as typing into it! I have auditory processing issues, mentally processing speech takes up a significant fraction of my cognitive resources and I don’t really have the ability to just tune it out. Constantly hearing one half of a conversation would impair my ability to work almost as much as being forced to use a keyboard would impair the person who’s talking. I would be aski…

I use noise cancelling headphones for this. It's not perfect, but it helps a lot.

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

dijit wrote: post #73
tubs wrote: post #55

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Do you also disallow your employees from reading github, stack overflow, or other sources of code?

I disallow copying of copyrighted code into our product repositories unless the license is clear, I have even reached out to people to directly license copyrighted software, or for them to relicense their public AGPL/GPL license (for a fee). To answer your statement directly: 1) StackOverflow submissions are CC-BY-SA, so if a person copies' code from there, even if it's copyrighted you can consider it good faith and…

What if someone copied a GPL code to stackoverflow? It wouldn't even be hard to look for examples like this.

In situations like this, my opinion is to just assume that license will first bite big guy, so I am willing to play by the fire if someone who is 10x bigger than me are doing the same.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by web3-is-a-scam »

drdrek wrote: post #167

I would love to hear from other people here but I tried it for a while and dropped my subscription. For short things it was nice, but the larger the suggestion the worst it got. I found myself constantly mentally debugging the output it suggested, I do not know if it was faster but I was mentally exhausted by it, unable to go for long periods of time. Dumb code completion is predictable, I know I'll need to press dow…

started using copilot this week as a trial and my experience so far echoes yours, Ruby dev doing lots of api work and I’m spending way more time mentally debugging all the hallucinated variables and functions it vomits out it, and fixing incorrect interfaces and I find it way more exhausting than just writing the code myself

IntelliJ inspections and refactorings blow copilot out of the water it’s not even a contest.

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Post by dathinab »

trympet wrote: post #684
dathinab wrote: post #398

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- lock down of PC software to the Microsoft app store, probably roughly at the same time apple also tightens a lock down on macOS - more anti competitive steps to make installing desktop Linux on consumer hardware hard while arguing you could just use WSL and it's "for your security" and they are not anti Linux because they embrace Linux on servers - trying to kill Valve, there should only be Windows games and only t…

> lock down of PC software to the Microsoft app store, probably roughly at the same time apple also tightens a lock down on macOS Nothing is locked down. UWP and win32 are funcionally equivalent with sparse registration. If you decide to publish to the store anyways, you can even use your own payment provider and keep 100% comission. > more anti competitive steps to make installing desktop Linux on consumer hardware…

it's not about what is done now, it's a response to the parents comment of "what will happen if microsoft becomes much more powerfull and market dominant again"

i.e. it's all hypothetical speculations about the future under a given assumption of development which might never happen

> Linux desktop apps more accessible than ever.

yes but it also removed the need to use Linux and could be extended with features Linux doesn't have => i.e. it could be used for the good old embrace, extend, extinguish strategy Microsoft loved to use in the

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Post by throwaway290 »

bastardoperator wrote: post #544
throwaway290 wrote: post #331

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By monetising OSS and sidestepping copyleft licenses to suggest you the same code repackaged as part of proprietary autocomplete for which you pay MS and not original authors?

[flagged]

Sounds like you could get a refresher on how it works, and regarding your ad hominem you are clearly using your real name just as much.

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Post by dathinab »

DeathArrow wrote: post #626
dathinab wrote: post #608

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It never was about emotional things like being scared. It's about eliminating competition and especially preventing potential future competition, it's about maximizing control and power to the most you can without losing otherwise (due to e.g. law regulations lost consumer trust etc.). It's just a game of numbers and future prospect. Just the fact alone that Valve has Linux as a form of "escape hatch" if Microsoft lo…

Microsoft already owns the desktop and I don't think they consider Linux a threat. macOS would be a a better contender but I don't think they consider that a threat, also. In fact, Windows is starting to weigh less and less in overall Microsoft strategy. Windows mattered when all we had were desktops but now they have lots of cows they are milking. I won't be surprised if in the future Microsoft will find that it isn…

> they consider that a threat, also.

In the hypothetical scenario from above it doesn't need to be a thread, just having the potential to become one can be enough. I mean why shouldn't you remove potential future threads when you easily can do so now but can't once they become a thread?

> I've tried since 23 years ago to use Linux as a desktop but it failed repeatedly. I even have it installed on a separate disk on my home PC but I seldom boot it.

and other do not fail, I know even some quite non technical people who do use it daily and there are docents of steam deck users, too

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Post by veb »

moffkalast wrote: post #667
nicce wrote: post #629

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Discord is yet another walled garden to be fair. It might be good replacement for some little, private communities. But also large communities are moving into Discord instead of using some public, index-able and findable platforms. They used to be public in the past and people very able to read information about them without going process for creating account, acceptance or even finding whole community. Discord is te…

> information disappears Wait really? I've never seen that happen on Discord, I can still see messages from over half a decade ago. Why would they delete data they mine? Slack on the other hand deletes everything immediately if you're not on the paid plan of course.

Not _immediately_ I think it's after 10,000 messages they start to remove some.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by twis »

vitorgrs wrote: post #679
bigmattystyles wrote: post #489

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Soon - Introducing Copilot Copilot - to help you navigate the Copilot offerings.

Tip to always use Creative mode on bing :) https://imgur.com/a/g8PDMKj

Funny, but also alarming how little support it has to report something as true.
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