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I am not a Photoshop wiz, but isn't it a lot easier to change a pixel offset by 2 pixels in text than in photoshop?
How about we just not try to offset things in units of pixels on web pages?
I'm sorry, but am I the only one wondering about the ... tone of dhh's response? I mean, "fucking scumbags", is he like 14? He has every right to be upset, but the choice of words are in no way helpful. just saying..
It's fascinating to see the abundance of doublethink. Somehow, copyright violation is not theft when it's a song and, suddenly it appears to be worse than murder when it's code. What Curebit did was reprehensible, amateurish and plain stupid. Most definitely not OK, but aren't we overreacting a bit? Are they selling the copied code? Did they refuse to take it down? Did they fail to apologize? BTW, in the same way we…
I think you are mixing two things. The outcry seems to be from one business copying another business. It would be like one songwriter copying the work of another songwriter. You are then comparing this to a regular person copyrighting the work of a songwriter/singer for their own consumption. Although they are similar they are not the same thing. Just wanted to point that out. I won't go into an argument about which…
I don't think Curebit has any right to use 37 Signals' work, far from it, but I also think this outcry is a bit of an overreaction to mindboggingly idiotic deeds made even worse by a poorly conducted response.
Once, a friend of mine caught a competitor using their CSSs and images (directly off my friend's servers) on their own site. One morning, the competitor woke up to find their site completely disfigured in randomly clever ways for every IP that wasn't their office's. It was very enjoyable to observe.
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No, my argument is that of all the things wrong with this situation, stealing 300-byte bandwidth is so far down the list it's unimportant. That's what I meant by this is not the horse - there are far better horses to ride in this race. It's nice of you to tell me what my argument is, but you have it utterly wrong.
> nice of you to tell me what my argument is How you've reiterated it here appears to match my interpretation of what you said. So perhaps you can say what your argument actually is - FWIW my comment had several upvotes so it doesn't appear to be just me being a dullard. > stealing 300-byte bandwidth is so far down the list it's unimportant So you're saying this is nothing like the argument 'stealing a snickers from…
Will you stop trying to paint me as only talking about one issue? That's where you get my argument utterly wrong.
It's akin to saying "Mao Zedong's China was bad because the dog-catchers weren't licensed properly".
Like it or not, the legal system regularly drops small, less important charges when bigger ones are present. The murderer who exceeding the speed limit trying to escape from police doesn't get a speeding ticket. That doesn't mean that speeding tickets themselves are unimportant or never get pursued.
I built the Wordpress theme from scratch about a year and a half ago and never released it for sale. This laptop repair site doesn't appear to be using Wordpress. Our site was featured on several design galleries at the time (it's in desperate need of an upgrade now, we just don't have the time) which, I'm sure, is how they found it to rip-off.
Check it out: Our Site: http://www.tinyfactory.co Their Site: http://www.laptoprepairkerala.com
I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - and a great reminder that it's time to upgrade our site ;)
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> nice of you to tell me what my argument is How you've reiterated it here appears to match my interpretation of what you said. So perhaps you can say what your argument actually is - FWIW my comment had several upvotes so it doesn't appear to be just me being a dullard. > stealing 300-byte bandwidth is so far down the list it's unimportant So you're saying this is nothing like the argument 'stealing a snickers from…
So you're saying this is nothing like the argument 'stealing a snickers from Walmart is such a small amount, it's not important'? Will you stop trying to paint me as only talking about one issue? That's where you get my argument utterly wrong. It's akin to saying "Mao Zedong's China was bad because the dog-catchers weren't licensed properly". Like it or not, the legal system regularly drops small, less important char…
So, going back to my initial comment (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3523870) you're saying that it's wrong of me to characterize your argument this way because I've failed to mention that it's a corrupt tycoon that is shoplifting. Because they've also committed greater crimes we have to ignore the shoplifting?
Or to recapitulate you'd nab a shoplifter but only if they'd not done something worse as well?
Got to say I still don't follow the reasoning and still consider image hotlinking to be bad; and that, for a company, it indicates some sort of corruption.
I thought we'd already concluded that copyright infringement is not stealing. Neither is linking. Fair use is fine. And that ideas can't be stolen. So, is Curebit wrong because 37Signals is one of us? I'm not suggesting what Curebit did is right. But I doubt any HN user of any length of time can ignore the similarities with other copyright cases where the community here is opposed to the "37Signals" side. I'll have t…
Let's be rational. Lets say that it is instantaneous and free to copy 37Signal's design, whereas to recreate it from scratch it costs the labor of a designer X units of dollar-time. For the sake of simplicity lets say that Curebit and 37Signals are competing for customers in a zero sum game. True, by copying 37Signals, Curebit has taken away some unknown X dollar-time worth of customers away from 37Signals during tha…
Let's say 37 signals has done the extensive work to create a page design that really converts. And we live in the world where anyone else who wants to lift their carefully-researched design can do so in 10 minutes, and reap the same benefits.
Unfortunately, that would put 37 signals at a serious disadvantage -- assuming that customers don't know who first created something really good, the actual creator always loses. All of the copycats get the same benefit with a cost of 10 minutes vs. 10 days.
So the only way 37 signals can benefit from their work is to find a way to make it more work to copy than to recreate.
To do that, they'd need, what -- some kind of heavily-obfuscated Flash? I'm sure if the need were there, we'd find a way to really lock down web UIs.
> In this case, 37Signals was given free rein to track Curebit's customers. Sounds like a good deal to me.
Unrelated to my points above, but never mind tracking... a hotlinked image is the perfect invitation to tweak your own layout, then change the original image files. Sadly, it looks like 37 signals missed their opportunity to paper over Curebit's page with animated penises.
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Let's be rational. Lets say that it is instantaneous and free to copy 37Signal's design, whereas to recreate it from scratch it costs the labor of a designer X units of dollar-time. For the sake of simplicity lets say that Curebit and 37Signals are competing for customers in a zero sum game. True, by copying 37Signals, Curebit has taken away some unknown X dollar-time worth of customers away from 37Signals during tha…
To understand the reasons why many people who will argue strongly for fair use, etc., still find this wrong, you have to look two steps ahead. Let's say 37 signals has done the extensive work to create a page design that really converts. And we live in the world where anyone else who wants to lift their carefully-researched design can do so in 10 minutes, and reap the same benefits. Unfortunately, that would put 37 s…
Plenty of good innovators (and artists) innovate for the joy of innovating, and this "protection" gets in their way. DRM and obfuscation hurts everyone involved.
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True, it is another thing, but I'll say it: all work (obviously, in this context of digital "intellectual property") should be public. I left "property" off the end of the sentence for the same reason I put "intellectual property" in quotes: I don't believe that property rights make sense when applied to abstract, non-scarce things like ideas and digital works. This really isn't about controlling the fruits of your l…
You can't eat bits. When everything else is non-scarce, you can reasonably argue that everything should be freely available. Until then, the right to control licensing is the simplest and most fair way for a creative professional to convert their effort into scarce resources.
If you do not do anything new and worthy of my attention tomorrow, I do not want you to have my bread.
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True, it is another thing, but I'll say it: all work (obviously, in this context of digital "intellectual property") should be public. I left "property" off the end of the sentence for the same reason I put "intellectual property" in quotes: I don't believe that property rights make sense when applied to abstract, non-scarce things like ideas and digital works. This really isn't about controlling the fruits of your l…
This is the same argument that was had about whether it was OK to make photocopies of content in books and magazines at the library, or record a radio broadcast or TV program. I would agree with you that up to a point it is: the content is made available to or broadcast to the public, and that implies a certain license to personally do what you want with it once you receive it. Hence copying or scanning printed mater…
If we simply say that with regards to information, no laws except the laws of nature are necessary, then some lawyers will lose their jobs, but there will be less friction and eddy currents in the system. Overall our endeavors will be more productive and quality of life will generally improve.