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Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by Epskampie » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 9:28 PM UTC

Myrmornis wrote: post #395

drdrek wrote: post #167

I would love to hear from other people here but I tried it for a while and dropped my subscription. For short things it was nice, but the larger the suggestion the worst it got. I found myself constantly mentally debugging the output it suggested, I do not know if it was faster but I was mentally exhausted by it, unable to go for long periods of time. Dumb code completion is predictable, I know I'll need to press dow…

I don't know about the new developments but with last year's copilot, it's great as long as you don't have it on all the time. Just turn it on when you want it to complete something. Unfortunately VSCode didn't/doesn't make that easy -- you have to hack something together yourself: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/7553#discussio...

Totally agree, I cancelled my subscription because the way the extension works (worked?) is just way too distracting, shoving (often wrong) suggestions in my face all the time.

It should have an mode where it only ever suggests a single best guess when I press a certain shortcuts.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by reaperducer » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 9:29 PM UTC

csantini wrote: post #470

pastor_bob wrote: post #393

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$50+ in monthly subscription fees? BRB buying some MSFT

If you want it cheaper: https://how2terminal.com This is when I build a product and then Microsoft releases it three weeks later -_-

If you want it cheaper: https://how2terminal.com

Very cool. Too bad I don't do subscriptions. If you ever figure out how to do a version on localhost, I'd pay $40 or so for it.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by fortylove » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 9:35 PM UTC

gzer0 wrote: post #169

There are 5 different sign-up waiting lists. Each one needs to be signed-up for separately. [1] Copilot X: https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/ [2] Copilot Voice: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-voice/ [3] Copilot Docs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-docs/ [4] Copilot for PRs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-pull-requests/ [5] Copilot CLI: https://githubnext.com/pro…

This screams to me that each internal team just wants a piece of the glory and the accompanying praise and "way to get this across the finish line team!" emails.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by snotrockets » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 9:37 PM UTC

OOPMan wrote: post #571

insane_dreamer wrote: post #566

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better than PyCharm for python?

Nope, but VsCode addicts are usually too cheap to try a paid-for tool like PyCharm

There’s a free, open source, community edition, which provides most of the functionality

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by ugh123 » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 9:41 PM UTC

insane_dreamer wrote: post #560

gonehome wrote: post #188

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Apple has always had its own hardware based silo to some extent (excellent products and design, fully integrated). Still, I suspect the AI stuff will be hard for them. They were first to market with Siri and it’s still trash 13yrs(?!) later. It’s always been what they’re weakest at, I’m not sure LLMs will be different for them. The headset could still give them a nice hardware platform advantage though if that UX bec…

Really surprised Apple didn't buy OpenAI; they will regret that MSFT did so.

OpenAI was already in bed with MSFT when they started working on Codex/Copilot together a year or so back. So the synergies were already there when OpenAI needed to scale up ChatGPT for the masses using Azure infra

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by gonehome » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 9:42 PM UTC

mynameisash wrote: post #576

zelphirkalt wrote: post #524

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Slack sucks, but if you compare it with Teams, it is still gold. If anyone asks me, whether I wulould rather join a voice chat on Slack or Teams, the answer is 100% of the time Slack. You never know what bugs Teams will cook up this time to ruin your call. O365 is a child's toy for non-professional document creation. Quickly hacking a document together maybe. Any normal non-web office suite blows O365 out of the wate…

A quick search turns up Office 2021[0], and I see no indication that offline Office is being discontinued. And claiming that O365 is a toy? Literally the only other online office suite I've used or heard of is GDocs, which has a fraction of the functionality that I use from O365. Your post doesn't sound serious at all to me. [0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/p/office-profe...

It was clear to me when they mentioned Emacs that their opinion on this can just be ignored. That isn't to say Emacs isn't a great thing for a certain niche, but it's just not something that matters in this kind of strategic product discussion (and thinking it's comparable is just a signal it's not worth engaging imo).

There are many reasons why VSCode is dominant and emacs isn't, similarly there are many reasons slack failed to compete (even after taking out a full page ad pretending to be apple before suing Microsoft). If you're going to pretend to be apple, you better be as good. If you're going to mock competition you better hope you're apple and not netscape [0][1].

I too think Slack is a great product, but that's not enough. Slack needed to expand into a more competitive offering and they failed to do that.

[0]: https://thehistoryoftheweb.com/browser-wars/

[1]: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/slack-microsoft-open-letter_n...

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by gonehome » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 9:46 PM UTC

shagie wrote: post #421

gonehome wrote: post #412

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That feels like a retroactive explanation of the current status quo to me. I doubt Apple would agree "Siri isn't supposed to be great" - they just failed to live up to what they wanted. We'll see if that changes.

The "what they hoped" is a question of "what who hoped?" When you look at SiriKit when compared to Google and Alexa, it is an entirely different approach that isn't designed for general tooling of a voice assistant but rather the intents show that it is designed for specific functionality of specific types of applications. Asking Siri for things outside of those intents was always delegated out to some other service…

Just watch the introduction of the Siri product: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agzItTz35QQ

"Your intelligent assistant that helps you get things done just by asking"

I suspect Scott Forstall and Jobs wanted it to be what LLMs show the potential for it to be. Not the crappy barely functioning timer setting app it currently is.

Siri is dumb as rocks, it's so bad at basic queries it's not worth trying to use.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by DeathArrow » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 9:52 PM UTC

Terretta wrote: post #557

jjeaff wrote: post #541

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$99 plus 15-30% of everything you create.

Try selling through Amazon.com and see what % you keep. Then try selling through a grocery or drugstore chain.

Have you tried selling apps trough Amazon or grocery stores?

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by usrnm » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 9:54 PM UTC

fortylove wrote: post #643

gzer0 wrote: post #169

There are 5 different sign-up waiting lists. Each one needs to be signed-up for separately. [1] Copilot X: https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/ [2] Copilot Voice: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-voice/ [3] Copilot Docs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-docs/ [4] Copilot for PRs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-pull-requests/ [5] Copilot CLI: https://githubnext.com/pro…

This screams to me that each internal team just wants a piece of the glory and the accompanying praise and "way to get this across the finish line team!" emails.

You're forgetting promotions

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by fortylove » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 9:55 PM UTC

usrnm wrote: post #649

fortylove wrote: post #643

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This screams to me that each internal team just wants a piece of the glory and the accompanying praise and "way to get this across the finish line team!" emails.

You're forgetting promotions

True!