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Post by pleb_nz »

visarga wrote: post #396
hu3 wrote: post #130

Scary. For the first time in my life, I feel like my expertise is at risk of being rendered obsolete. Maybe not this year, but the writing is on the wall. Soon coding without an AI will feel as antiquated as delivering food by horse. And resistance is futile because markets will punish those who refuse. We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. And…

> We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. There will be more developing than ever, but humans will sit on a different place in the stack. We'll be more like team managers. Stable Diffusion can make pretty pictures by itself, but only when a human directs it then it can have value.

The point is you'll need less humans to do the same work. Possible far less, maybe it'll be a smaller ratio to start with but eventually that ratio will grow.

Most organizations are there to make profit for shareholders, if more profit can be obtained through less hires while still meeting money making goals the you can bet your bottom dollar they will hire less people where possible.

People early in their careers should be ready for this as one day there may be far less times available to them in this field.

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Post by gonehome »

shagie wrote: post #323
gonehome wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Siri still sucks?

Siri isn't supposed to be great - its a voice interface to a few standardized interfaces that applications can hook into. The system provided intents ( https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sirikit ) are rather limited. While we can say "it should be more" the architecture for it doesn't appear to be something that easily extensible by anyone (Apple included). However, for those intents - it does quite well and m…

That feels like a retroactive explanation of the current status quo to me. I doubt Apple would agree "Siri isn't supposed to be great" - they just failed to live up to what they wanted.

We'll see if that changes.

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Post by nonethewiser »

ren_engineer wrote: post #13

Microsoft really seems to have wrapped up the developer ecosystem with VS Code and the Github acquisition combined with OpenAI. They are going to have an absurd amount of data to optimize their models thanks to that, not sure how other AI focused companies can overcome that have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be and potentially move away from their ecosystem. Credit t…

Microsoft is far more open than it used to be. It’s not simply marketing.

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Post by substation13 »

brachika wrote: post #400
hu3 wrote: post #130

Scary. For the first time in my life, I feel like my expertise is at risk of being rendered obsolete. Maybe not this year, but the writing is on the wall. Soon coding without an AI will feel as antiquated as delivering food by horse. And resistance is futile because markets will punish those who refuse. We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. And…

I remember reading Ray Kurzweil's book 'The Singularity is Near' (a book with bold predictions about human development and future) and thinking this guy is nuts, we are decades if not centuries away from these predictions. Well, now I don't feel so comfortable.

The book was way over optimistic but many of his predictions are coming true, a few decades late.

I might have to revisit it!

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Post by jacooper »

Looks like anyone who left Github because of Copilot won nothing, as GPT4, the new model used for new Copilot includes everything, not only Github code. So even if you uploaded it to GitLab, codeberg or Sourcehut it still trained on your code...

That supreme court case is becoming more important by the day.

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Post by tarruda »

pastor_bob wrote: post #393
gzer0 wrote: post #169

There are 5 different sign-up waiting lists. Each one needs to be signed-up for separately. [1] Copilot X: https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/ [2] Copilot Voice: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-voice/ [3] Copilot Docs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-docs/ [4] Copilot for PRs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-pull-requests/ [5] Copilot CLI: https://githubnext.com/pro…

$50+ in monthly subscription fees? BRB buying some MSFT

It is basically free if you consider companies will be automating a lot of the dev grunt work for now on. Learning to code using tools like Copilot will be a requirement, but instead of 10 developers you hire 1.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

I have no illusions that what I've been building was ever going to be commercial or even particularly useful (it just offers code improvements, bug fixes, etc. as errors are piped into the system – it's very rudimentary but neat), but it's striking right now how incredibly deep Microsoft's moat in this arena is right now.

I realized it would be best as a VS Code extension in its current form and started writing that this morning. I was thinking Github would do this eventually, it was obvious — copilot already existed and was primed for this — but evidently they'd already built it a while ago. I was also thinking eventually it could be a bot which generates pull requests based on error correction, but... They did that too.

If I wanted to go all in one this project, say as a hypothetical competitor to Copilot, I don't see how it would be possible to succeed. Any clever UI improvements would rapidly find their way into Copilot, offering far better solutions due to their absurd access to pertinent data.

They can even train Copilot to resolve errors based on how they've been resolved in the past; it could probably patch all kinds of common errors reliably soon.

I think this is cool in the sense that it'll be genuinely useful to people, but frightening to realize how dominant MS is here, in this moment. Maybe I'm not creative enough and I can't see a way to build something novel with this which they haven't already. That's arguably likely. At the same time... I'm a little shaken at how narrow of an opportunity anyone had to try to get into this space. I don't think it's a good thing.

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Post by pleb_nz »

Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #310
hu3 wrote: post #130

Scary. For the first time in my life, I feel like my expertise is at risk of being rendered obsolete. Maybe not this year, but the writing is on the wall. Soon coding without an AI will feel as antiquated as delivering food by horse. And resistance is futile because markets will punish those who refuse. We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. And…

People said the same thing about Excel in the 80s and 90s. There are more accountants now than then. There might be more programmers out of this developments than before. It just will lower the barrier of entry, and increase productivity. Like most tools

Companies are there to make money. If the same job currently dinner by 5 people can now be done by 3, and it means more profit for shareholders, what do you think shareholder will want?

While profit is the main driver, it'll mean smaller teams

Not today, not with current tech, maybe in the near future though

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Post by the_other »

It should be free, or at least significantly cheaper. It was trained on millions of person-days of work people shared for free. This is _our_ work being sold back to us.

(ok, not really mine, I don't contribute to OSS very much; I should probably pay for it.. but you get my point).

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