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Post by visarga »

tauntz wrote: post #280
fn-mote wrote: post #171

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> For the first time in my life, I feel like my expertise is at risk of being rendered obsolete. Maybe not this year, but the writing is on the wall. My expertise is in designing, understanding, and debugging complex systems. I will just apply my expertise to the AI. Another angle: just think of how many mom and pop shops are still contracting out to get web sites, and not getting what we consider quality. Now maybe…

> My expertise is in designing, understanding, and debugging complex systems. I will just apply my expertise to the AI. That might be true for you and me but imagine somebody fresh out from university - the job market for junior devs will totally collapse in the near-near future. And then what? Where do the mid-level engineers come from if there are no* junior roles? Where will the future senior level engineers come…

Mid level engineers will be surpassed two years later. And then seniors. But we'll still need humans in the loop, humans who understand.

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Post by bhj »

vincentkriek wrote: post #268
lancesells wrote: post #245

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Many people paid to host their code at Github to only then have it sold back to them and others in the form of Copilot. IMO that's very anti-developer.

That is not anti-developer, but definitely anti-opensource. As a developer I dont really care my code is used to make copilot better and sold in that way.

You should care if your code's license is being violated by being reproduced without attribution. Undermining OSS's licenses can ultimately weaken it, and the cynic in me suspects MS is fully aware of this.

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Post by intelVISA »

gonehome wrote: post #58
ren_engineer wrote: post #13

Microsoft really seems to have wrapped up the developer ecosystem with VS Code and the Github acquisition combined with OpenAI. They are going to have an absurd amount of data to optimize their models thanks to that, not sure how other AI focused companies can overcome that have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be and potentially move away from their ecosystem. Credit t…

Microsoft is a so well positioned on this I think Silicon Valley has forgotten what it looks like when they don’t have a horrible CEO. When Microsoft executes well, they’re a scary force. They were exceptional under Gates and it looks like they are again. There’s a massive paradigm shift we’re just at the beginning of and Microsoft has been putting pieces in place for the last couple of years. Nadella has really turn…

I'm first to crap on MS but they've really pulled it together recently with a lot of big plays coming to fruition. I don't use any of their tech but I can respect what they've done as a business.

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Post by gonehome »

adzm wrote: post #274
gonehome wrote: post #261

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They’re strategically exceptional, but beyond that a lot of their products (or subsidiaries) are also dominant for good reason (vscode, GitHub). O365 and the product integration there (teams) is why they crushed slack despite slack’s headstart. Slack sold out to languish at salesforce while Microsoft will now just own that space. Cherry picking a Microsoft app for macOS is like looking at iTunes on windows, it’s not…

Unfortunate about slack. It really seems to have stagnated. At least we have discord; I'm really glad they turned down Microsoft's 12 billion offer.

I think it's more about salesforce, I have a pretty negative opinion about them and everything they acquire seems to limp along or die (and the good employees leave immediately) - just seems like a boring place to be (nice sky scraper though).

Microsoft has a better track record with acquisitions.

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Post by dgb23 »

immawizard wrote: post #343
tauntz wrote: post #280

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> My expertise is in designing, understanding, and debugging complex systems. I will just apply my expertise to the AI. That might be true for you and me but imagine somebody fresh out from university - the job market for junior devs will totally collapse in the near-near future. And then what? Where do the mid-level engineers come from if there are no* junior roles? Where will the future senior level engineers come…

Mid level engineers will come from building something like GitHub, Netflix or Gmail over the weekend using powerful AI. The skills of current senior engineers will be much easier to gain since the feedback loop for software architecture and design will be down to hours instead of quarters. Being able to architect massive software systems well, will be expected from a new graduates. The role of junior software develop…

Senior developer aren't senior because they can type code very fast. They are senior because they can take on responsibilities and make decisions. A junior that types code very fast is a junior that types code very fast.

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Post by paxys »

pastor_bob wrote: post #393
gzer0 wrote: post #169

There are 5 different sign-up waiting lists. Each one needs to be signed-up for separately. [1] Copilot X: https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/ [2] Copilot Voice: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-voice/ [3] Copilot Docs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-docs/ [4] Copilot for PRs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-pull-requests/ [5] Copilot CLI: https://githubnext.com/pro…

$50+ in monthly subscription fees? BRB buying some MSFT

We forgot very quickly that there was an entire generation of developers who paid $1000-2000 or more for an MSDN subscription just as the base cost for doing business. This is what Microsoft does.

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Post by gonehome »

dathinab wrote: post #377
quijoteuniv wrote: post #278

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Masterstroke is that they are including Linux, in WSL also in windows server. They are 1 step away from being a Linux distribution that runs legacy windows software within containers :D

or actively remove many reasons why people ended up trying out linux distributions in the past like e.g. universtity students needing to run programs which don't run on windows natively all the time, so many try out native Linux distros, some stay. Now all of them can just use WSL. Or like devs which need to develop for Linux servers etc. Basically they have accepted that windows server have failed and their server l…

I use macOS in large part because its a *nix OS under the hood.

WSL gives a lot of that power to Windows.

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Post by joshvm »

ogogmad wrote: post #365
agentultra wrote: post #265

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It feels absurd. A Chat-GPT4 model will generate unit tests? Hallelujah! I hate writing tests! Yay! Except how do you know it's generating the right tests? Can it explain its reasoning? Unit tests are a weak form of automated specification. Why are we inferring our specifications from examples to begin with? Who is going to walk through the reasoning and verify these are the right tests and make sense and specify the…

Why is it absurd? If it writes readable code, you can check it. Writing the first version often takes a long time, so this is clearly a breakthrough.

Then there's a vicious circle. You need to have technical expertise to evaluate whether the code from these models is fit for purpose. Until these models get sufficiently reliable that you can use them without worrying if the results are correct then you still need developers. This may be much better than Stack Overflow, but I imagine it will still suffer from the same problems with regard to copying "answer" code.

I would give an answer from ChatGPT where it confidently told me that I should evaluate an object detection model by ranking matches using negative IoU (and it indeed generated code to do it and gave a confident explanation of how this was normal in computer vision, but it was completely backwards).

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Post by danenania »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #208
jchw wrote: post #122

Not very impressed with either Copilot or ChatGPT for programming purposes. I'm sure it will be interesting for some people, but whenever I really feel like I could benefit from an intelligent AI, it usually falls flat. Most commonly, it will just generate calls that don't exist, and if you try to get it to implement them, it will write bullshit. Now the thing is, maybe it really does improve developer productivity b…

I use them all the time with success. For copilot it’s very useful for writing tests and autocompleting repetitive code. Like writing a Typescript interface that matches a JSON object, or listing properties of an object into an array. ChatGPT is at worst a good rubber duck, and at best a superpowered documentation tool. If I ever get confused by docker or some popular JavaScript library it’s able to give me a custom…

What would be amazing for Copilot + Typescript is if it could somehow integrate with the TS compiler (or perhaps just get sufficient fine-tuning on the TS type system) so that it only generates valid/type-safe suggestions.
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