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Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by infinityio »

withinboredom wrote: post #336
jackosdev wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

vscode is an incredible piece of software, better than all the paid options in my opinion, the amount of features they pump out month to month is outstanding, just a bit slow due to electron. I never understood why they put so much effort into a free product that I run from Linux and Mac, but I'm happily paying the copilot subscription so it all makes sense now.

You honestly had me do a double take. Copilot costs money? Maybe I get it through some other thing, but its been free for me as long as I can remember. It's wrong so often that I generally keep it on because it's entertaining. I wouldn't pay for it.

I think copilot is free in the education pack - you might have got it from there?

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Post by javier_e06 »

I asked ChatGpt in plain english to cook some bash scripts for me and the examples are good. It replies in plain english and then generates working code that does what you ask it to do and then you can ask it to refactor or to change and re generate. Very impressive. Who remembers that ${my_string%%myword} shaves-off the word at the end of the string anyway?

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by cess11 »

Why participate in the hype?

It's highly likely this is the result of legal having mulled over the Copilot litigation and deciding that it can go either way or worse, so the top layer in MICROS~1 has decided to rush whatever product development they can use the general public for and try to hook as many people as they can to their stochastic parrots. Which they wish to insert into not just every other government machine, but also every Linux machine, preferably pumping out every line of code written with those.

It's better to support open source rights holders against this exploitation than getting one's nose brown.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by Someone1234 »

symlinkk wrote: post #317
Someone1234 wrote: post #149

Just to save others from wasting their time (and free trial): The Copilot extension in full Visual Studio (i.e. NOT VS Code) is super terrible, broken, and buggy. It is so bad it is worse than nothing (literally, it can make Visual Studio lag out). But don't take my word for it, read the reviews: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=GitHub.c... This is the polar opposite of VS Code where it works super…

Visual Studio is a legacy product. You should be switching to VSCode.

Tell that to Microsoft. .Net's VS Code support is a joke relative to Visual Studio (as opposed to TS which is better on VS Code by far). People aren't using Visual Studio (and spending $3K+/year) because they WANT to.

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Post by bombela »

jackosdev wrote: post #277
gonehome wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re strategically exceptional, but beyond that a lot of their products (or subsidiaries) are also dominant for good reason (vscode, GitHub). O365 and the product integration there (teams) is why they crushed slack despite slack’s headstart. Slack sold out to languish at salesforce while Microsoft will now just own that space. Cherry picking a Microsoft app for macOS is like looking at iTunes on windows, it’s not…

vscode is an incredible piece of software, better than all the paid options in my opinion, the amount of features they pump out month to month is outstanding, just a bit slow due to electron. I never understood why they put so much effort into a free product that I run from Linux and Mac, but I'm happily paying the copilot subscription so it all makes sense now.

It's free and electron because they can run it in a web browser, running everything on MS Azure. With code on GitHub and CI on GitHub etc etc. The whole dev experience offered to companies as a service via a series of web applications. Companies will love this.

Just get any web browser, preferably Microsoft Edge on a Microsoft Window Pro on a Microsoft Surface laptop. Open Microsoft GitHub workspace. To dev for your Microsoft Azure hosted Linux VM. Run the CI on GitHub. Use Microsoft O365 for your design doc. And Microsoft Team for communication.

Poor little Linux in the middle.

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Post by globular-toast »

hu3 wrote: post #130

Scary. For the first time in my life, I feel like my expertise is at risk of being rendered obsolete. Maybe not this year, but the writing is on the wall. Soon coding without an AI will feel as antiquated as delivering food by horse. And resistance is futile because markets will punish those who refuse. We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. And…

Good. I'd rather not have to work forever. The whole point of this job is that I'm lazy. I don't want to do any work so I make machines do it for me. Why are people so attached to having to work?

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by frenchy »

dougmwne wrote: post #145
shmatt wrote: post #42

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I work at a big tech company and there is a complete ban on coding using LLMs. The fear is sending our code for the model to learn in the future. This is also why then hype around GTP4-powered Office is overhyped. Very rarely will a corporation be OK with GPT-4 running inferences on their internal documents and excel sheets Until an on-prem solution is offered, many of these companies won't get anything out of the te…

How do you reconcile what you just said with the massive popularity of cloud services? The source code is already sitting in the same data center the LLM GPUs are sitting in. Of course there are some businesses too paranoid to use the cloud, but even intelligence agencies are on board these days.

With cloud services, there's some expectation that your stuff is private. Copilot is like doing all your cloud development with an anonymous FTP server.

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Post by waboremo »

RivieraKid wrote: post #305
waboremo wrote: post #238

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Do you genuinely believe machines can't handle most of those jobs with ease? The only reason why they haven't already been replaced is because humans can be exceptionally cheap. Much easier to hire somebody to sit at a desk for $10/hour doing repetitive tasks than spend millions implementing systems across the board to do what they do (for now).

Yes, I believe machines can't handle most of the jobs I listed with ease.

Cashiers, already replaced by self scanners, fewer and fewer of them are found in stores, even if you do get hired as a cashier you usually make horrible hours now. Food preparation is another one hit huge by automation, where it's become normal now for companies to announce automated locations (like McDonalds and Taco Bell did last year). Server, bartender, same thing applies. There have already been police officer bots being tested. I mean truly the list goes on, out of the ones you listed really only electrician, construction worker, and mechanic would be hardest to automate.

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Post by geraneum »

waboremo wrote: post #329
agentultra wrote: post #265

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It feels absurd. A Chat-GPT4 model will generate unit tests? Hallelujah! I hate writing tests! Yay! Except how do you know it's generating the right tests? Can it explain its reasoning? Unit tests are a weak form of automated specification. Why are we inferring our specifications from examples to begin with? Who is going to walk through the reasoning and verify these are the right tests and make sense and specify the…

I'm not sure this works out in the long run. We're currently using extremely generalized tools here, it's difficult for it to establish any "reasoning" when it does not have a "history" to rely on so to speak. Which is where our reasoning stems from, history. We opt for Solution B because we previously tested Solution A in another similar project. I just don't see this as being a barrier for too long. Not when more c…

That won't happen only using text. Language does not capture the full spectrum of thought which is what is at work in case of an expert. Companies training their custom models or increasing the model size, etc. won't change this fundamentally but it might help in some aspects. We need models that can observe/capture the "history" from everything else (i.e. physical world) in addition to text. Or perhaps mix LLMs with other models in order for our models to posses something we call "common sense". This common sense is needed when you transition from "Solution B" to "because we previously tested Solution A in another similar project". There are a LOT going on with this transition between A and B that might not be apparent to you.

But in general I agree with the basic premise of what you say in that, it will eventually happen.

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Post by boringuser1 »

gonehome wrote: post #58
ren_engineer wrote: post #13

Microsoft really seems to have wrapped up the developer ecosystem with VS Code and the Github acquisition combined with OpenAI. They are going to have an absurd amount of data to optimize their models thanks to that, not sure how other AI focused companies can overcome that have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be and potentially move away from their ecosystem. Credit t…

Microsoft is a so well positioned on this I think Silicon Valley has forgotten what it looks like when they don’t have a horrible CEO. When Microsoft executes well, they’re a scary force. They were exceptional under Gates and it looks like they are again. There’s a massive paradigm shift we’re just at the beginning of and Microsoft has been putting pieces in place for the last couple of years. Nadella has really turn…

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