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I don’t think people understand the hockey stick we’re on. Don’t focus too hard on the failings, look at the scaffolding being rapidly deployed that makes the iterative improvement process exceptionally tight.

I'm mostly curious how far the hockey stick will go up. Eventually most things level off.

This is the big question isn't it. With self driving cars we have been on the final 20% for what seems like forever.

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Scary. For the first time in my life, I feel like my expertise is at risk of being rendered obsolete. Maybe not this year, but the writing is on the wall. Soon coding without an AI will feel as antiquated as delivering food by horse. And resistance is futile because markets will punish those who refuse. We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. And…

Honestly, this just seems like another tool. An amazing one, yes, but a tool nevertheless.

> Soon coding without an AI will feel as antiquated as delivering food by horse. And resistance is futile because markets will punish those who refuse.

The same way coding without Internet feels antiquated, or coding without autocomplete, or coding without fast compilation times...

If anything, progression of tools has shown several things:

- That the more tools we have, the faster we can work and iterate, the more value we can deliver in less time.

- That IT work doesn't ever end. Tons of IT jobs exist only to support IT itself. The arrival of AWS made sysadmins "obsolete" but on the other hand created the need for SRE and DevOps engineers.

- The existence of tools that let "laypeople" do IT work do not really delete those jobs. Tons of "nocode" tools exist so that people can build their own websites, applications, etc. But designers, coders still exist.

- People still stay behind. Tons of companies still run on a crappy NFS that's hosted in the IT guy closet. Others don't have a webpage and use an @hotmail.com address for email (if they even have email!). The market punishes, yeah, but not that hard.

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I admit that I'm anxious about the possibility that AI will drive down demand for developer jobs. My base case is that it won't have a meaningful negative impact, but it's possible that it will, so it's unpleasant to have this uncertainty about the future and to see the technology develop very rapidly with big news coming almost every day - which I would be normally extatic about. I've been on a path to financial ind…

I'm thinking over the medium to long term, we'll lose jobs but we won't see them, they just won't have been created.

this is a very, very important nuance, i think.

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The domain name on that authorization prompt was more than enough to get me to decline. I wouldn't have hesitated at all if it were at next.github.com.

Totally get it. I’ve passed feedback on to the team so (hopefully) the CLI app will be be clearly from GitHub soon (we need to transfer it to the regular GitHub org and then there hopefully won’t be any confusion). GitHub Next exists in a different org from GitHub proper for lots of reasons, but we should definitely make it more clear that those experiments are still from GitHub.

It seems like one organization being able to specify a relationship with another, possibly with the ability to set a list of approved permissions, would solve this.

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Does anyone have a prediction for how this translates into Microsoft's bottom line? I'd imagine it is mostly increased Azure sales with a few Visual Studio licenses.

I could see them selling an absurdly expensive enterprise on-prem copilot that is tuned for a company's codebase and able to be customized to some extent. If they can show how much it improves productivity it would be an easy sell. Plus tightly integrate everything with Azure like you said Bill Gates was also talking about company AI's that "attend every meeting" and are involved even in non-technical areas via Offic…

They have some great products in there (probably) but most likely they expect some of their attempts to fail (it's to be expected).

It's a "bet the retirement fund but not the farm" situation where they invest a lot of money to see what stick.

They are in a great position to do that and burning a few millions in the process might be worth it.

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I hope that Copilot X will be brought to other IDEs as well, not just Visual Studio [Code].

Seems that you didn't bother checked their site before commenting. Check it out here[0], but TLDR: they have VS, VS code, Jetbrains and NeoVim logos in there. [0] https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x

The blog post we're talking about says specifically:

"We are bringing a chat interface to the editor that’s focused on developer scenarios and natively integrates with VS Code and Visual Studio."

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I tried getting myself on the CLI waitlist ( https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-cli/ ). That they use ffmpeg as the example hits a huge pain point for me. But: "Next Waitlist by GitHub Next would like permission to: Act on your behalf Not owned or operated by GitHub" Why does signing up for a waitlist require me to give permissions to an app to act in my account? An app that isn't even officially from GitHub? Th…

It’s officially from GitHub. There is some weird language (that I’ll absolutely pass feedback on to the team), I think because GitHub Next is a different organization from GitHub proper, but I can assure you, this is an official GitHub app. But I totally agree that this isn’t a great/clear message about where this is from.

Correct! We know this is a terribly confusing thing. Hopefully by the next big launch we can work out a way to have GitHub Next things not bear the "not owned or operated" thing.

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Microsoft really seems to have wrapped up the developer ecosystem with VS Code and the Github acquisition combined with OpenAI. They are going to have an absurd amount of data to optimize their models thanks to that, not sure how other AI focused companies can overcome that have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be and potentially move away from their ecosystem. Credit t…

Microsoft is a so well positioned on this I think Silicon Valley has forgotten what it looks like when they don’t have a horrible CEO. When Microsoft executes well, they’re a scary force. They were exceptional under Gates and it looks like they are again. There’s a massive paradigm shift we’re just at the beginning of and Microsoft has been putting pieces in place for the last couple of years. Nadella has really turn…

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Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Microsoft really seems to have wrapped up the developer ecosystem with VS Code and the Github acquisition combined with OpenAI. They are going to have an absurd amount of data to optimize their models thanks to that, not sure how other AI focused companies can overcome that have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be and potentially move away from their ecosystem. Credit t…

> have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be and potentially move away from their ecosystem.

At a certain point you may find that you've got your hand so far in the Microsoft cookie jar that it would make more sense to just accept that you are a MS shop and go for the rest of the cookies as shamelessly as possible.

We've embraced our fate. Almost everything is Microsoft branded in our workplace now.

It's really easy to hate on Microsoft through the lens of programming tooling and other nerd abstractions. It's super hard to hate on them from the perspective of IT administrators and business owners wanting to enjoy their weekends. [Azure] Active Directory and the modern Windows/Office suite are a competitive advantage for enjoying your free time. I have never seen a better overall experience for managing a small startup.

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