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Post by rvz »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #295
rvz wrote: post #289

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> I like how you probably spent more time looking up your multiple-year-old comment that could have instead been used to make sure that you’re not sounding like a fool that doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It took seconds and it is still true and evergreen to this day. Thanks for your so called 'concern'. > They have already committed to releasing it to all editors Copilot supports. So, you know, the exact oppos…

Considering they have several third party editor logos in full display on their main landing page, I'm going to believe Microsoft and OpenAI over some random naysayer on the internet who didn't even bother to check. https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x What benefit would they even gain from locking it to their free editor? If anything, VS Code is a way for Microsoft to push other services like Copilot. The s…

So there is 100% feature parity then for all other editors other than VS Code then? YES or NO?

As I said before, "They are more 'Committed' to supporting VS Code than giving total feature parity to other editors."

Sticking a bunch of logos with no guarantee of 100% feature parity as seen in VS Code is exactly what lock-in is.

> If anything, VS Code is a way for Microsoft to push other services like Copilot. The strategy has been and continues to be to bring these services to where the developer is.

Re-centralizing everything and owning the entire developer ecosystem to MS / GitHub. What could possibly go wrong? /s

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Post by czbond »

nivenkos wrote: post #239
hu3 wrote: post #130

Scary. For the first time in my life, I feel like my expertise is at risk of being rendered obsolete. Maybe not this year, but the writing is on the wall. Soon coding without an AI will feel as antiquated as delivering food by horse. And resistance is futile because markets will punish those who refuse. We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. And…

UBI is a half-measure, we need democratic, communal control of industry.

Treasury just needs to "print those dollas" and make Musk even more so richest person in the world. I'm being serious.

Retaining the profits and placing them back as UBI could work.... although if we do that, the politicians will just find a tax or another project that needs the money before giving it to people.

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Post by goldfeld »

hu3 wrote: post #130

Scary. For the first time in my life, I feel like my expertise is at risk of being rendered obsolete. Maybe not this year, but the writing is on the wall. Soon coding without an AI will feel as antiquated as delivering food by horse. And resistance is futile because markets will punish those who refuse. We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. And…

Almost a decade ago I jumped ship as a programmer for several reasons, and since '18 I am definitely not coding at all. Friends and family have wondered much at my path and letting go of what has become the one promised career for ever larger parts of the population, and making my inroads into the arts and literature, finally settling a bit with the profession of writing on many capacities. Now I look back more gadly than before, as I hadn't really imagined that coders would be on the very frontline of impacted jobs. I think the 10x will become a sad concrete thing, with salaries crunching and a team lead expected to take up the work of teams being fired, resorting to AI minions. It's a crazy tables have turned situation.

So that really I'm writing with and about AI[0] to get the best of my technical and literary backgrounds, and to reach good audiences.

Meanwhile writing is safer because contrary to code, a personality and a personal life will ever be valued in flesh and blood writers. And how could an AI, ever write love poems with a soul if it has not opportunities for falling desperately in love, suffering, changing wholesale because of an experience like that? It could emulate it. But readers want to read real sufferers, mortals who get old and lose their looks and so forth, not little gods of sillicon.

[0]: https://generativereview.substack.com/p/the-generative-revie...

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Post by what-no-tests »

nivenkos wrote: post #239
hu3 wrote: post #130

Scary. For the first time in my life, I feel like my expertise is at risk of being rendered obsolete. Maybe not this year, but the writing is on the wall. Soon coding without an AI will feel as antiquated as delivering food by horse. And resistance is futile because markets will punish those who refuse. We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. And…

UBI is a half-measure, we need democratic, communal control of industry.

Agreed - we don't control our destiny as a people by buying what they're selling with free money we get as a door prize for existing.

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Post by RivieraKid »

waboremo wrote: post #238
RivieraKid wrote: post #193

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> Governments will have to ponder about what to do with a world of people who became inferior to machines at almost everything. Universal Basic Income? Inferior to machines at almost everything? Most jobs are safe, look at the 25 most common jobs in the US - cashier, food preparation worker, stocking associate, laborer, janitor, construction worker, bookkeeper, server, medical assistant, bartender, administrative ass…

Do you genuinely believe machines can't handle most of those jobs with ease? The only reason why they haven't already been replaced is because humans can be exceptionally cheap. Much easier to hire somebody to sit at a desk for $10/hour doing repetitive tasks than spend millions implementing systems across the board to do what they do (for now).

Yes, I believe machines can't handle most of the jobs I listed with ease.

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Post by bottlepalm »

Toutouxc wrote: post #273

Is anyone actually seeing things IRL like 46 % of code written by Copilot? I'm using it in RubyMine in a few years old Rails codebase with some complex bits, and while I find it much more useful than RubyMine's already nice autocomplete, I can rarely get it to write more than a one-liner before it misunderstands my intentions and touches something it shouldn't. One thing that I think contributes to this is that the c…

Probably more than 30% for me, and there’s a lot of low hanging fruit I bet it could get up to 60% at least. This is a full stack app. It knows from context what you’re going to next in many cases.

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Post by czbond »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #296
waboremo wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you genuinely believe machines can't handle most of those jobs with ease? The only reason why they haven't already been replaced is because humans can be exceptionally cheap. Much easier to hire somebody to sit at a desk for $10/hour doing repetitive tasks than spend millions implementing systems across the board to do what they do (for now).

While we have seem some huge leaps in AI, robotics is still far behind human capability. Things like food preparation are not anywhere close to being feasible right now. So perhaps in the medium future humans will be "stuck" doing only physical tasks, while AIs take over everything that can be done virtually.

There is a display at Meow Wolf (absurdist immersive art experience) which paraphrased is "Thinking is for machines, labor is for humans". May turn to be true...

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Post by mkaic »

pferde wrote: post #258
RivieraKid wrote: post #227

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Because we will have full control over it. It will do what we ask. The AI has no motivation or personality, it's just a tool used by humans.

Maybe it's time to start differentiating between artificial intelligence and artificial consciousness? Surely I can't be the first one to think of this...

I agree with the sentiment, but I also don't think such differentiation is possible, because we have no testable definition of consciousness. I genuinely look forward to the day we discover/understand the physical processes underlying our own consciousness, and how to detect/disprove it in machines, but until then... it's unfortunately unfalsifiable.

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

moneywoes wrote: post #69
fnordpiglet wrote: post #30

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Everyone I know is understaffed. I think the outcome is roadmaps deliver more reliably not reduce headcount.

Seems strange with all the layoffs

Sometimes thinking that you are understaffed is actually caused by being overstaffed. The reason is that having a lot of people introduces tons of overheads and coordination costs, that reduce your time for your main work.

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Post by Arkhaine_kupo »

hu3 wrote: post #130

Scary. For the first time in my life, I feel like my expertise is at risk of being rendered obsolete. Maybe not this year, but the writing is on the wall. Soon coding without an AI will feel as antiquated as delivering food by horse. And resistance is futile because markets will punish those who refuse. We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. And…

People said the same thing about Excel in the 80s and 90s. There are more accountants now than then.

There might be more programmers out of this developments than before. It just will lower the barrier of entry, and increase productivity. Like most tools

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