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Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by ilovetux »

ren_engineer wrote: post #13

Microsoft really seems to have wrapped up the developer ecosystem with VS Code and the Github acquisition combined with OpenAI. They are going to have an absurd amount of data to optimize their models thanks to that, not sure how other AI focused companies can overcome that have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be and potentially move away from their ecosystem. Credit t…

> have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be

Microsoft has historically been anti-opensource, but not anti-developer. Their first product was a BASIC interpreter and in my experience throughout the 90s and early 2000s their developer ecosystem (aka Visual Studio) has really been first-class.

I am not a fan of Microsoft because they have been openly hostile to open source, but I don't think it's fair to say they have been anti-developer.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by programmarchy »

jghn wrote: post #78
tarruda wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you use copilot integrated in the editor, does microsoft collect all source code data on your project or only context used to perform the completions?

Concern over this is the #1 reason I have not yet tried to use Copilot. For my hobby projects I don't care enough to pay for it. And if it's phoning home proprietary code, I can't allow that to happen.

It’s worth it even for hobby projects, imo. It reduces the time spent on mundane tasks and allows you to think at a higher level and just move faster. Maybe you achieve a level of zen from implementing utility level code, similar to how some people might still write assembly code, but otherwise it’s a valuable tool/skill to learn.

Tangentially, I think there’s some fear associated with adopting AI tools, perhaps because developers feel like their skill sets are being displaced. And they are but there’s headroom e.g. assembly programmers learned C. There seems to be some post-hoc rationalizations being put forth to avoid that fear, but my sense is that developers who don’t cultivate this new skill set will fall behind.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by wnkrshm »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #94
_bohm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you explain your reasoning? You expect that these tools will create more work to get from point A to point B rather than less?

It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect just that. Overall, producing code quicker is probably not something we need. It's plenty quick to type code. What's slow is finding good designs. I think more often than not, we jump to the coding part too early and build things too soon. This creates problems that are hard to fix after the fact. The easier it is to produce code, the more code will be produced. The more code is…

Managing complexity was once the job description

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by vintermann »

Kiro wrote: post #107
vintermann wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I feel like it is much better than HN has given it credit for in earlier discussions. But that may be influenced by the fact that I only started using it relatively recently; I've probably mostly seen it at its best. Also, I have no illusions about how language models work. I notice that the sloppier the code I'm editing, the worse suggestions (and dumber comments) it suggests. If I start writing a comment and c…

You're being too kind on the HN crowd. We're usually extremely pessimistic for no good reason and useless at predicting things. It seems like we just love to hate on stuff.

If you think that you should see what Slashdot is like these days, lol.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by retrocryptid »

mikkelam wrote: post #3

I have absolutely loved copilot so far. I especially love how fast it handles indexing complex n-dimensional arrays, which I'm really bad at. I also feel like often pushes me to more formal solutions instead of hacking. I'd estimate a 10% velocity increase for me with it. Super excited for GPT-4 behind it.

I was going to say "blergh. that doesn't sound too complex."

But... we all are better at some things than others and I really like that you've highlighted a specific issue where you find it valuable.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by mempko »

knodi123 wrote: post #118
ren_engineer wrote: post #13

Microsoft really seems to have wrapped up the developer ecosystem with VS Code and the Github acquisition combined with OpenAI. They are going to have an absurd amount of data to optimize their models thanks to that, not sure how other AI focused companies can overcome that have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be and potentially move away from their ecosystem. Credit t…

half our team is really entrenched with jetbrains. but aside from a couple of curmudgeons who are formally married to vim, I think VSCode and JetBrains has pretty much sewed up the market.

Listen, if I divorce vim, it will take half my stuff.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by blibble »

BratishkaErik wrote: post #8

Another reason to switch from GitHub, I don't want to strengthen this ecosystem. AI-generated description for PR? gg. IMHO it will drastically reduce real productivity for those who will remain on this platform (but still increasing whatever fake metric [accepted pull requests? stars?] people love to check)

personally I cleared out all my highly starred projects and filled them all with randomly generated crap that happens to compile

and will never contribute to public open source again

(I guess MS have finally managed to kill open source)

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by vbezhenar »

I'm not impressed with this announcement.

What I miss with Copilot is not reflected there:

1. Separate hotkeys to accept either single token from the suggestion or single line. Often Copilot tries to autocomplete 50 lines method which I'm not happy with.

2. Ability to edit existing text. It only inserts new text. I'd like something like multiple cursors or macroses working automagically by recognising similar text patterns below current position and applying similar edits.

3. AI linting. If some code looks obviously wrong, I'd like to know about it.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by rvz »

mike_hearn wrote: post #71
ren_engineer wrote: post #13

Microsoft really seems to have wrapped up the developer ecosystem with VS Code and the Github acquisition combined with OpenAI. They are going to have an absurd amount of data to optimize their models thanks to that, not sure how other AI focused companies can overcome that have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be and potentially move away from their ecosystem. Credit t…

I hope that Copilot X will be brought to other IDEs as well, not just Visual Studio [Code].

Here we go again with the editor lock in as precisely predicted. [0]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27685104

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