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Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by BratishkaErik »

_bohm wrote: post #34
BratishkaErik wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In short: because there will be "current junk pull requests" (see microchanges for readme) but increased x100, if you want to use AI at least write description by yourself, orelse there os no point in your pr as authors might make it themselves

I see. My impression based on this press release is that GitHub is planning on marketing this more to teams using their paid plan though. It seems like this would be a non-issue for organizations using private repositories?

> As we continue to design, test, and build features that fall into the GitHub Copilot X vision, we are also taking the time to determine the best way to provide them to our customers, which may include changes to Copilot for Business and Copilot for Individuals.

so we'll see :)

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by Bedon292 »

w-m wrote: post #33

I tried getting myself on the CLI waitlist ( https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-cli/ ). That they use ffmpeg as the example hits a huge pain point for me. But: "Next Waitlist by GitHub Next would like permission to: Act on your behalf Not owned or operated by GitHub" Why does signing up for a waitlist require me to give permissions to an app to act in my account? An app that isn't even officially from GitHub? Th…

I was wondering the same thing. It seems like it is labeled weirdly since it is part of GitHub, but definitely was triple checking what was going on with that.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by fnordpiglet »

dw_arthur wrote: post #26
digdugdirk wrote: post #7

Here. We. Go. I made the analogy a few days ago about how all modern manufacturing and machining processes were essentially bootstrapped from two fairly flat stones. Its going to be interesting to see how the acceleration in improvement of the tools for "making things" changes in the LLM age.

There's something really satisfying about using a tool that makes you more productive, even more so if you built the tool.

Stochastic Markov Monte Carlo cut and paste is clearly more powerful than deterministic cut and paste.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by danielvaughn »

digdugdirk wrote: post #7

Here. We. Go. I made the analogy a few days ago about how all modern manufacturing and machining processes were essentially bootstrapped from two fairly flat stones. Its going to be interesting to see how the acceleration in improvement of the tools for "making things" changes in the LLM age.

Agreed, I think we're entering the 4th era of the internet (as I see it).

The first era was pre-consumer (arpanet etc).

The second era had internet installed in several homes across the country, but it still wasn't clear what the internet was going to become, and it was still considered an oddity. This was roughly 1990-the mid aughts.

The third era saw the internet become socially viable - myspace, facebook, twitter, instagram all took over peoples lives. This roughly coincided with the release of smart phones, as well as the increased computing power of browsers, spurred mostly by V8.

For the last few years there's been this implicit expectation that we're entering into a new era, but it wasn't clear what that era would be. For a minute, people thought it was crypto/metaverse, but that was always kind of a silly idea.

It's now clear that AI is going to be the catalyst, and I think it's ushering in something equivalent to the industrial revolution, but starting from where we are now. It's just impossible to fathom where we're going to go from here.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by tubs »

dijit wrote: post #40
erdaniels wrote: post #14

How have people been thinking about licensing and attribution when it comes to using AI code assistance tools like this? In my personal work, I'm avoiding it since being trained on "publicly available code from GitHub" feels too risky for me if I were to say accidentally pull in GPL code to a private project.

Someone asked me to pay for a team subscription for Copilot. As I'm CTO (and thus legally responsible for those agreements that you normally just click through); I read the terms of service, and they do not actually grant license to the code. They say in very clear terms: YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING SUGGESTIONS. So, as I don't want to encourage people to think that they can simply copy over copilot solutions I dec…

Do you also disallow your employees from reading github, stack overflow, or other sources of code?

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by corobo »

erdaniels wrote: post #14

How have people been thinking about licensing and attribution when it comes to using AI code assistance tools like this? In my personal work, I'm avoiding it since being trained on "publicly available code from GitHub" feels too risky for me if I were to say accidentally pull in GPL code to a private project.

I don't use it for dayjob stuff because I don't want to deal with the hassle of explaining and selling someone on it to get the use approved, and admittedly there are (however small) risks of sending confidential stuff over the wire. Copilot isn't enabled for those projects.

Personal stuff? I don't really think about it at all outside of these threads, no. I'm not exactly citing every source for where I learned each concept, and people smarter than me say that's how Copilot learned it too. That'll do for me and my side projects, I'll keep up with the law as it keeps up with AI.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by yunohn »

BratishkaErik wrote: post #36
sebzim4500 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>IMHO it will drastically reduce real productivity for those who will remain on this platform Why do you believe this? Everyone I know who has used copilot has found it made them more productive. Admittedly, reports differ wildly on how much more productive from ~10% to ~100%.

sorry if i was unclear, by "real productivity" i meant something that requires more creativity than copypasting stackoverflow/copilot to your code, not measured in "lines of code" but rather in how much it is unique. Highly subjective, yes...

> rather in how much it is unique

IRL a lot of what people do is rehashing or gluing together things as others may have done before. We all stand on the shoulder of giants - code is a tool to enable an outcome.

I don’t agree with your definition of “code uniqueness is productivity”.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by gonehome »

ren_engineer wrote: post #13

Microsoft really seems to have wrapped up the developer ecosystem with VS Code and the Github acquisition combined with OpenAI. They are going to have an absurd amount of data to optimize their models thanks to that, not sure how other AI focused companies can overcome that have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be and potentially move away from their ecosystem. Credit t…

Microsoft is a so well positioned on this I think Silicon Valley has forgotten what it looks like when they don’t have a horrible CEO. When Microsoft executes well, they’re a scary force. They were exceptional under Gates and it looks like they are again.

There’s a massive paradigm shift we’re just at the beginning of and Microsoft has been putting pieces in place for the last couple of years. Nadella has really turned things around for them.

Google and meta are scrambling.

Things should get interesting.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by moneywoes »

ren_engineer wrote: post #13

Microsoft really seems to have wrapped up the developer ecosystem with VS Code and the Github acquisition combined with OpenAI. They are going to have an absurd amount of data to optimize their models thanks to that, not sure how other AI focused companies can overcome that have to wonder at what point developers remember how anti-developer Microsoft used to be and potentially move away from their ecosystem. Credit t…

Reminds me of the IE days

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by stuckinhell »

I have some interesting stories from writing a report about a couple teams using AI pair programming for development at my firm.

I'm seeing experienced senior developers use the AI to context switch like lightning. They know when the AI is bullshitting them, but they can use that seed to "jumpstart" their memories.

Junior developers doing very domain specific tasks are taking longer to develop using the AI. However boilerplate work is speed up significantly.

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