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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by tass »

gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

This has been linked to on reddit, and it's being called out that a few 2023 Hyundai models have capacitive buttons and touchscreen controls; Tucson, Ioniq, Verna at least.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by gbin »

redindian75 wrote: post #111
cdepman wrote: post #75

Wonderful. I recently rented a model 3 and found it incredibly frustrating that it required multiple touches to adjust settings that would be a single button press on a more traditional car. Don’t even get me started on the windshield wipers - a total nightmare in winter storms and located on the left stalk? These are safety concerns. As long as humans are operating these dangerous vehicles, I vote for fewer driver d…

model 3 has voice control "turn on wipers" "set AC to 68" "drive home" - at the press of a button, the music fades and it listens like "hey Siri"

To me, this is definitely a major safety hazard to rely on voice command. If you just get splashed and in a stressed out voice you ask for wipers and your car might not understand you.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by zxexz »

cdepman wrote: post #126
redindian75 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

model 3 has voice control "turn on wipers" "set AC to 68" "drive home" - at the press of a button, the music fades and it listens like "hey Siri"

It was doing its best on automatic but the wipers were sporadic at best. This was a major winter storm and visibility was awful …the model 3 had no idea where the lane lines were and apparently no idea how bad the precipitation was.

I think I’m just going to keep buying and driving 15 year old cars until the new cars are an order of magnitude better. I can buy 10 half decent 15 year old cars for the price of new Tesla!

(15 years old is the magic number in MA where the car no longer has to pass emissions checks during inspection)

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by fomine3 »

avmich wrote: post #48

For long time I wondered why UI in spacecrafts is so inconvenient. Apollo computer UI seems to be lacking. Soyuz UI, while seems to improve over years (ha, it would be strange, over so many years...), still looks clunky. And then - Crew Dragon comes with touch screens. Don't they understand it's a big step back? There are benefits of "fluid" interfaces, but where is the attention to important features, ability to use…

I don't know much but driving spaceship won't need to watch outside continuously so touchscreen may make sense than car driving

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by quesera »

Aeolun wrote: post #99
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do have a history of cheaping on parts. When we had a KIA, all sorts of problems with CV joints, and power steering components, all expiring around 130,000km or so. Just lower quality seals & parts on drivetrain components, that lasted just until out of drivetrain warranty, if I recall. Their EVs seem well built, from watching Sandy Munro videos, anyways. (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igFytqIMp0A ) But t…

Expiring at 130k KM seems sort of reasonable? How long do you expect those parts to last?

130k km == 81k mi, for the metrically-impaired.

CV joints, drivetrain, power steering ... in a "reliable" vehicle, will last at least double or triple that!

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by lukas099 »

redindian75 wrote: post #111
cdepman wrote: post #75

Wonderful. I recently rented a model 3 and found it incredibly frustrating that it required multiple touches to adjust settings that would be a single button press on a more traditional car. Don’t even get me started on the windshield wipers - a total nightmare in winter storms and located on the left stalk? These are safety concerns. As long as humans are operating these dangerous vehicles, I vote for fewer driver d…

model 3 has voice control "turn on wipers" "set AC to 68" "drive home" - at the press of a button, the music fades and it listens like "hey Siri"

> the music fades

Disgusting.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by lukas099 »

gbin wrote: post #142
redindian75 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

model 3 has voice control "turn on wipers" "set AC to 68" "drive home" - at the press of a button, the music fades and it listens like "hey Siri"

To me, this is definitely a major safety hazard to rely on voice command. If you just get splashed and in a stressed out voice you ask for wipers and your car might not understand you.

Absolutely. Not to mention the needless inaccessibility.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by wlesieutre »

colordrops wrote: post #138
biofox wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a poor solution to a problem of their own making

As an owner it works great. Windshield wipers have a sensor for automatic control, and if you want to manually adjust, voice recognition is highly accurate these days. I switch between my Prius and Tesla all the time as my wife shares the vehicles, and I much prefer the Tesla controls. But I'll get off of your lawn if you'd like.

Anecdotally the owner I’ve asked about it said it sucks. And he’s a native English speaker. How’s it do with accents?

Maybe it’s been improved with hardware upgrades? His is around a 2017 I think.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by millzlane »

gbin wrote: post #142
redindian75 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

model 3 has voice control "turn on wipers" "set AC to 68" "drive home" - at the press of a button, the music fades and it listens like "hey Siri"

To me, this is definitely a major safety hazard to rely on voice command. If you just get splashed and in a stressed out voice you ask for wipers and your car might not understand you.

It would def draw a pause if I were driving a Turo rental. It's great to have the option of voice. But I can actuate the wipers much quicker with a hand stalk than I can speak it.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by paxys »

bityard wrote: post #10

Wow, talk about missing the point. Four grids of uniform buttons, they think that's an improvement over a touchscreen? There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. GOOD HVAC/radio design means you can perform ALL essential functions WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road AT A…

There is absolutely a difference. You probably typed this entire message on your desktop or laptop keyboard without looking at it. Could you do the same on a touch keyboard on your phone? Buttons staying in the same place and giving tactile feedback makes all the difference.

The design in the linked picture looks just about like any other non-touchscreen car in the world, and is perfectly usable.

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