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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by cssanchez »

maztaim wrote: post #21
gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

I can’t speak for their EV line, but no media is talking about how crappy their engines are. I won’t touch a KIA or Hyundai and I have zero qualms speaking up about it. My brother and I both needed new engines after 50,000 miles with normal wear and maintenance. If you read up on oil consumption you will discover they have had problem’s continually since 2014. Last I checked the 2021 +models are still affected. Getti…

I’ve read some threads either here or on Reddit from mechanics saying it was the 2.0 engine (I think the CVT versions) that crapped out like this and they used that engine in a ton of models. Anecdotal, but mine is an old 2013 Kia with a 1.6 engine with DCT like all their turbos / top of line models and I’ve had no mechanical issues at all yet, but I’m looking to buy soon and I won’t consider their 2.0s out of caution.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by xwdv »

Not wonderful. People are comfortable with buttons but with this comfort comes a loss of innovation on new ideas that are better than buttons.

Audi is working on advanced technology where by simply pinching the air in front of your infotainment and moving your hand left or right, you can control volume as if you were moving an analog slider widget. You can also grab the air and rotate your hand left and right to control climate temperatures.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by CamperBob2 »

serf wrote: post #64
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well designed button layouts don't require counting to figure out which one to push. Even that is a cognitive distraction.

I would like to see an explanation of how a human can have any interaction or choice without some level of cognitive cost.

Did you touch-type your post, by chance?

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by jonathankoren »

sonofhans wrote: post #61
jonathankoren wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pretty sure you regularly use a piece of plastic with 104 near identical buttons without looking at any of them.

That’s not analogous. Proper use, or accustomed use, of a keyboard places the hands in the correct position by default. Our hands don’t remember the _absolute_ position of those buttons, only their position _relative_ to other buttons. Buttons in car control panels require users to leave the default position of hands-on-wheel and acquire the new button. That’s an expensive operation, and it’s well-studied — https://e…

Okay then. How many times do you you stare at the controls on the television remote every time you turn it on or off?

This is over blown. You only have to learn your car's radio once per car.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by NoZebra120vClip »

eindiran wrote: post #89
bmitc wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

I was in the same boat until my car was stolen. If you haven't heard of it, look up the Kia Boys, though the same rules apply to Hyundais. If you do manage to get the car back, you find yourself much more interested in car anti-theft measures, and will then discover that there are very limited options for parts due to the epidemic of them being stolen (66% of cars stolen in 2021 in Milwaukee, the center of the epidem…

Shouldn't there be, like, a glut of parts on the gray market if they are stolen so often? They don't end up in chop-shops?

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by maztaim »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #82
anaganisk wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strangely, Does Hyundai/Kia have some difference wrt engines in US and India? Never heard anyone complain about engine in India even after 62k miles, they are quite popular among taxi drivers, who definitely stress the engine more than enough. Indian roads can be quite punishing on cars.

It IS strange! Hyundai and Kias are the most reliable cars in America right now https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-cars-with-the-fewest-and-ch...

Note that it appears CarMD is basing this on data largely from 1995-2015. That’s well under the likely time/miles when KIA/Hyundai would have started to have engine trouble s.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by jjkmk »

eindiran wrote: post #89
bmitc wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

I was in the same boat until my car was stolen. If you haven't heard of it, look up the Kia Boys, though the same rules apply to Hyundais. If you do manage to get the car back, you find yourself much more interested in car anti-theft measures, and will then discover that there are very limited options for parts due to the epidemic of them being stolen (66% of cars stolen in 2021 in Milwaukee, the center of the epidem…

Same deal, my Hyundai was stolen 3 times from Sept 2021 to October 2022 when I finally sold it.

Was a huge headache.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by Izikiel43 »

gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

Mazda? They don’t even have touchscreens
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