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Re: Leaving China

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Post by dang »

robomartin wrote: post #202
RedCondor wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm Latin American and very, very happy we have China as an alternative to America's tyrannical Monroe Doctrine. The demonization of China feels incredibly absurd, like when someone wearing an exceedingly ugly outfit, lacking self-awareness, tries to criticize someone else's fashion.

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Please don't use HN for nationalistic or political flamewar, and please don't cross into personal attack. We ban accounts that do these things.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by [deleted] »

mechanical_bear wrote: post #565
RedCondor wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm Latin American and very, very happy we have China as an alternative to America's tyrannical Monroe Doctrine. The demonization of China feels incredibly absurd, like when someone wearing an exceedingly ugly outfit, lacking self-awareness, tries to criticize someone else's fashion.

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Re: Leaving China

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Post by dang »

mechanical_bear wrote: post #563
RedCondor wrote: post #105

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How long have you worked for the CCP?

You broke the site guidelines egregiously with this (and also with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35233124 - we can't have users attacking other users based on where they're from). I actually did ban you, but changed my mind after I looked through your comment history and didn't see you having made a habit of this.

You can't do this here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are, and the site guidelines are quite clear about it. No more of this, please.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by dang »

RedCondor wrote: post #598
fortuna86 wrote: post #578

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Your account was created 15 days ago and is used exclusively for posting inflammatory political nonsense. Also, you do realize that China is the most hyper-capitalist country in the world, don't you?

I'm just a communist programmer that hasn't been here for ages because I got bored of the hive-mind. Literally anything left-of-right-of-centre immediately gets flagged (if not outright banned by the mods), all in service of sheltering little liberal coder worker bees from scary labour propaganda. I came back for a bit to get the latest on ChatGPT, and then noticed that, unsurprisingly, this place is crawling with de…

> Literally anything left-of-right-of-centre immediately gets flagged (if not outright banned by the mods)

The other day I heard it was "the non-Maoist stuff that dang & HN mods censor" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35166791), "when did HN get taken over by commies" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35078024), and "there are plenty of Marxist-Leninists here" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34344096).

Oh and then there's "Dang is a totalitarian liberal thought policeman", "banned every single prominent right winger", "extremely left-winged", "most people on HN are liberals", "socialist hell-hole", "this site leans left", "leftist bots", "always politically left", "skews quite left", "Obviously this website is rigged for the liberal agenda", "the level of wokeness is just absurd", "leftist ideological echo chamber", "run by radical leftists, so no surprise", and much more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by dang »

fortuna86 wrote: post #613
RedCondor wrote: post #610

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"Your sources are compromised, here's a quote from Fidel Castro and a random blog titled "China Has Billionaires" that doesn't actually talk about China at all, just "US is bad China opposes US therefore..." Self-awareness is not your strong point. And your mix of conspiracy and partisan bile being challenged here is evidence this is a healthy online community, not the opposite. Perhaps you would feel better somewher…

You broke the site guidelines repeatedly and egregiously in this thread. We've had to warn you about this before, and if you keep it up we're going to have to ban you.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Edit: it also looks like your account is on the verge of using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of which ideology you're for or against, and we ban accounts that do it, so please don't do that. More explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

Re: Leaving China

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Post by dang »

_-david-_ wrote: post #589
RedCondor wrote: post #105

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I hope you were paid more than 50 cents for all the bootlicking you have been engaging in through this thread. If the West is as bad as you say, please just move to China and leave the rest of us alone. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

We've banned this account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our request to stop. You can't post like this here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are, and the site guidelines are entirely clear about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Normally I would post a warning rather than ban you for this, but it looks like your account has been using HN primarily for ideological battle, and that's a line at which we ban accounts, especially when (as is the case here) we'd already asked you to stop. (Btw we do this regardless of which ideology the account is battling against or for.)

Re: Leaving China

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Post by dang »

mechanical_bear wrote: post #565
RedCondor wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm Latin American and very, very happy we have China as an alternative to America's tyrannical Monroe Doctrine. The demonization of China feels incredibly absurd, like when someone wearing an exceedingly ugly outfit, lacking self-awareness, tries to criticize someone else's fashion.

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You can't attack other HN users based on where they're from or reside—no matter how wrong they are or you feel they are.

Your other comment in this thread was even more egregious. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35253829, and please don't post like this to HN.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by dang »

RedCondor wrote: post #610
fortuna86 wrote: post #607

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I didn't ask who you claim to be, i'm pointing out what you are. If you actually care what China is, which it appears you don't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_capitalism

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You've been badly stoking this thread with political and ideological flamewar. We ban accounts that do that. I actually just banned you but then changed my mind (I'll explain that below).

Lest anyone think I'm scolding you out of some ideological bias: I've personally spent countless hours defending users who have advocated minority perspectives (including on China), even when they've sometimes broken the site guidelines. That's not because I agree or disagree but because I understand how difficult it is to advocate for a minority view on the internet without getting attacked by mobs—and I don't like mobs. If you or anyone wants examples of how this has played out on China-related topics, I put this list together for a user about a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/chinamod.

So the problem isn't that you're arguing for a minority view—it's that you're doing it with snark and tropes and talking points. From that point of view your comments in this thread have been abusive. It seems clear that you're a seasoned internet flamewarrior with this stuff, because those skills only get honed over many years. For HN, this is a bad sign, because we're really trying for something else here (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html).

Nonetheless I changed my mind about banning you because I think https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35245528 is a genuinely interesting submission about Nietzsche. Thanks!

If you would, however, please calibrate your HN comments to the intended use of the site, we'd really appreciate it. That means no snark, no flamewar, and no disrespect to others (specifically or in general) regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. I know lots of people routinely break those rules—I spend my days asking them not to. But we need users, and especially users with formidable internet powers, to resist the temptation to respond in kind. Otherwise we just get a downward spiral and this place will burn to a crisp.

No doubt HN is filled with comments that you personally disagree with and find offensive, but that's inevitable given that HN is a majority western community (albeit highly international) and that you hold minority views (within such a population) on provocative topics. I'm not asking you to change your views, but if you would please take care to avoid provoking or being provoked here in the future, we'd be grateful.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by RedCondor »

dang wrote: post #654
RedCondor wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just a communist programmer that hasn't been here for ages because I got bored of the hive-mind. Literally anything left-of-right-of-centre immediately gets flagged (if not outright banned by the mods), all in service of sheltering little liberal coder worker bees from scary labour propaganda. I came back for a bit to get the latest on ChatGPT, and then noticed that, unsurprisingly, this place is crawling with de…

> Literally anything left-of-right-of-centre immediately gets flagged (if not outright banned by the mods) The other day I heard it was "the non-Maoist stuff that dang & HN mods censor" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35166791 ), "when did HN get taken over by commies" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35078024 ), and "there are plenty of Marxist-Leninists here" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3434…

Someone may get called lots of names from "both the left and the right."

It doesn't mean they have, therefore, achieved some kind of enlightened balance.

The fact that you can cite a lot of angry right-wingers trying to pull discourse in their direction through whining just means there's a lot of right wingers posting here trying to form critical mass, as one would expect given the composition of America as a country.

You don't get more of those kinds of critiques from communists because 1) there's barely any communists here and 2) we don't argue like that.

Pretty fair modding, though. GJ.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by RedCondor »

mechanical_bear wrote: post #643
RedCondor wrote: post #570

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Generally speaking when someone asks that question it is with an eye to disqualifying a speaker they don't want to listen to, on the basis of ad-hominem. Latin America? "You're ignorant, you know nothing!" China? "You're under their sway!" America? "Hypocrite!" I tend to prefer to simply not allow the discussion to veer in that direction, and keep people guessing if they must.

It lets others understand perspective a bit better.

Well, my English is pretty good and I'm from Latin America. I think that ought to give you enough of an idea.
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