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Elon Musk's tweets unleashed a wave of hate

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Re: Elon Musk's tweets unleashed a wave of hate

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Post by Georgelemental »

dekhn wrote: post #35
BurnGpuBurn wrote: post #24

Funny how the BBC keeps complaining about Musk's Twitter take over but refuses to cover the Twitter Files he's been releasing. Guess those government millions are put to good use.

I've tried to follow every Twitter Files dump and honestly there really isn't anything there to cover. It's like ppointing at people doing their jobs and claiming "there's some seriously scurrious stuff going on over there!"

Just doing their jobs, censoring the legal speech of private citizens at the request of government, after government without a shred of evidence accuses the private citizens of being foreign agents

Re: Elon Musk's tweets unleashed a wave of hate

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Post by dekhn »

Georgelemental wrote: post #51
dekhn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've tried to follow every Twitter Files dump and honestly there really isn't anything there to cover. It's like ppointing at people doing their jobs and claiming "there's some seriously scurrious stuff going on over there!"

Just doing their jobs, censoring the legal speech of private citizens at the request of government, after government without a shred of evidence accuses the private citizens of being foreign agents

For decades, AT&T gave the government unlimited access to all its technology. The head of AT&T and Bell Labs would personally go to DC on a secret schedule and share technical documentation that let the NSA spy (illegally) on Americans (see Idea Factory for footnotes, etc). From what I read, Twitter pushed back against the government in a thoughtful way. If you have problems with what the government is doing, use these files to file a lawsuit. If you think the US government is going to change being heavy handed I think you'll be depressed at the outcome.

Re: Elon Musk's tweets unleashed a wave of hate

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Post by moritzwarhier »

This is one of the rare times where I come to a comment section out of having read the article before.

Sure the platform moderation problem always will stir a censorship / FoS discussion.

But the article lists forms of abuse (e.g. detailed death threats) that are or definitely should not be legal in my view.

This might be a subjective observation, but all in all Twitter has become an even more hateful and extremely unpleasant place on the internet since Musk took over. Dangerous I'd say even.

Even after reading one interesting thread (without a login), I quickly get suggested plain hate speech or far-right content. This extends to Musk himself, as the article already explains.

Another thing are conspiracy memes designed to stir up hate, which Musk also happily shares.

I don't even need any more screenshots or examples for this, every brief Twitter experience that I have from time to time seems to confirm to me how it's rapidly gotten even worse than before.

Re: Elon Musk's tweets unleashed a wave of hate

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Post by Zigurd »

dekhn wrote: post #52
Georgelemental wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just doing their jobs, censoring the legal speech of private citizens at the request of government, after government without a shred of evidence accuses the private citizens of being foreign agents

For decades, AT&T gave the government unlimited access to all its technology. The head of AT&T and Bell Labs would personally go to DC on a secret schedule and share technical documentation that let the NSA spy (illegally) on Americans (see Idea Factory for footnotes, etc). From what I read, Twitter pushed back against the government in a thoughtful way. If you have problems with what the government is doing, use the…

The first nationwide social graph was built at AT&T Labs, made of call detail records harvested (on mag tape and possibly even punched cards at the time) from storage all over the country. It was possibly the largest database at the time. Pre-RDBMSs.

Re: Elon Musk's tweets unleashed a wave of hate

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

noirscape wrote: post #44
Laaas wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Legal demands" include a combination of court orders and other formal demands to remove content, from both governmental entities and lawyers representing individuals. I am very very much in doubt that it was publicly _known_ (not theorised) that the government was asking Twitter to delete _legal_ but _undesirable_ tweets! When the government is suggesting Twitter to censor specific users/subjects/tweets, is that n…

No? They just used the same reporting functionality everyone else had available from what I can tell. Twitter has, at least according to the transparency report also more often than not just straight up rejected the requests from the government (the last known report data shows that they only complied 40% of the time[0]). Twitter basically received a report, practically no different from if you or someone else clicke…

> They just used the same reporting functionality everyone else had available from what I can tell.

I think a major part of the Twitter files is exactly the fact that all of these social networks have close working relationships with tons of government and government funded agencies, where these groups can just send along lists of people and topics that they want removed on dubious grounds (this is not the same as things like getting a warrant or court order which I'm assuming the transparency report is about).

The recent release includes things like "true facts about covid vaccines that might cause hesitancy". You can have whatever opinion you want about what they should and shouldn't be platforming, but I for one agree that these organizations shouldn't be able to casually tap twitter/fb/etc on the shoulder and nix random legal speech.

Re: Elon Musk's tweets unleashed a wave of hate

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Post by prepend »

dieselgate wrote: post #46
prepend wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they hate them without racism.

Is this sarcasm? I thought a reason of choosing the name “lululemon” was that it can be difficult to pronounce for some https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-lululemon-2015-9?... Edit: the linked article suggests it wasn’t “a reason” but rather “the reason” for the name, I was being too forgiving

That’s interesting about the name, I didn’t know that. However, I don’t think it’s racist. A Japanese marketing firm designing a brand for Japan chose the name with 3 Ls because that letter doesn’t exist in Japanese, so would seem more like a non-Japanese, American brand.

That seems very different from someone choosing it to laugh at how some people can’t say it.

Re: Elon Musk's tweets unleashed a wave of hate

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Post by dzhiurgis »

noirscape wrote: post #47
dzhiurgis wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn’t they so uninteresting that US congress tried to silence them last week so that they wouldn’t die of boredom?

That was something else; Twitter has a consent agreement with the FTC surrounding the privacy of its users (after they got hacked some time ago). Musk has been very negligent on actually making sure the paperwork is correct[0]. Congress requested for information on whether or not Twitter was properly following the consent decree when Musk gave Tabibi and the others access to the files. Twitter is legally required to…

All I saw Tabibi's journalistic integrity questioned with options of yes/no and congressmen shouting "SILENCE - you don't waste my time".

No one from twitter was there.

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