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Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by wizofaus »

WA wrote: post #117
wizofaus wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would think an LLM trained on an accurate description of virtually every medical diagnosis ever made (along with a description of the treatment and outcome) would be far more capable of diagnosing almost any newly described condition better than any human doctor. What I'd expect is a good deal further off is a AI- controlled surgical robots, but we'll likely see them used within our lifetimes.

Only if you can provide an accurate description of the condition someone is suffering from. Without it, an LLM would probably recommend some average treatment. Basically, prompt engineering for medical conditions.

Absolutely, and clearly in many cases such an accurate description couldn't be supplied purely by the patient self-describing their symptoms. But for others it seems fairly plausible. I'd still expect to see qualified professionals to be required to actually approve the recommended treatment (including prescribing medications etc.).

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by asdff »

capableweb wrote: post #12

> Philanthropy is my full-time job these days, and I’ve been thinking a lot about how—in addition to helping people be more productive—AI can reduce some of the world’s worst inequities. Globally, the worst inequity is in health: 5 million children under the age of 5 die every year. One great first step Open AI can take towards this is by actually making their models open. As long as the models are intentionally kept…

Honestly I think its borderline criminal that gates say stuff like this "AI can reduce some of the world’s worst inequities. Globally, the worst inequity is in health: 5 million children under the age of 5 die every year." Like how is this not false advertising at its lightest and outright lying at its worse until AI is actually used to do something here with 5 million children dying? As far as I am aware the issue with famine and starvation in the global south is not that we have been unable to model these issues well with our current tooling, which probably also involves ml, and now need to ask a chatbot for what to do. It's been one of political will, considering how much wealth is present in this world.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by asdff »

dffdsa432 wrote: post #56
capableweb wrote: post #12

> Philanthropy is my full-time job these days, and I’ve been thinking a lot about how—in addition to helping people be more productive—AI can reduce some of the world’s worst inequities. Globally, the worst inequity is in health: 5 million children under the age of 5 die every year. One great first step Open AI can take towards this is by actually making their models open. As long as the models are intentionally kept…

Is it your theory that capitalism makes people poorer?

If the money supply is fixed, and one person is rich, where does that money come from? By it not going to someone else.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by solarmist »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #88

I guess one of my own issues with AI, is seeing how the tools we already have, have been twisted by greedy, ruthless people (many of whom are on this very venue). I was one of the people that started off in tech with dreams of a digital Nirvana. I ignored the "negative naysayers," and sallied forth, with an open heart, and hope for the future. I'm really quite disappointed in what we've done with these marvelous tool…

The problem is that humanity is not just capable of the best and worst outcomes, but that we constantly act to realize both the best and worst we can achieve.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by hackerlight »

wizofaus wrote: post #101
epups wrote: post #80

I like Bill Gates - out of the major iconic tech personas, he is one of the most interesting to me. Yes he kind of didn't see internet or phones coming, so it's not like he is an oracle, but he is right on many issues too. I think he is right on this one as well. The most intriguing prediction was the medical one. He envisions training "medical AIs" that can act as a source of knowledge in poorer countries. Honestly,…

I would think an LLM trained on an accurate description of virtually every medical diagnosis ever made (along with a description of the treatment and outcome) would be far more capable of diagnosing almost any newly described condition better than any human doctor. What I'd expect is a good deal further off is a AI- controlled surgical robots, but we'll likely see them used within our lifetimes.

You'd probably start by using the LLM as a filter, not for the final diagnosis. If the LLM thinks something is strange (say, 5% of the time) --> refer to human doctor to ensure it isn't a false positive.

If the problem is a shortage of doctors, this is one solution.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by asdff »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #8
addisonl wrote: post #4

I’m more inclined to call it the Age of Disinformation

That's indeed what i'd call it too AI was already a thing with robotics / games What's being promoted these days are AI assisted generative tools, i personally call it "AI assisted copy pasta"

They already had an ai assisted complete in gmail. I wonder how many managers operated by just hitting tab tab tab send and not writing any english at all the last few years?

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by joenot443 »

le-mark wrote: post #99
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #88

I guess one of my own issues with AI, is seeing how the tools we already have, have been twisted by greedy, ruthless people (many of whom are on this very venue). I was one of the people that started off in tech with dreams of a digital Nirvana. I ignored the "negative naysayers," and sallied forth, with an open heart, and hope for the future. I'm really quite disappointed in what we've done with these marvelous tool…

I’ve adopted a similarly pessimistic view, that even if I’m one of the ones who gets to keep my job, “it’s” all going to shit from here. I’m surprised and confused to say the least.

Same boat.

I think in the ways gen-x’ers talk about the “pre-internet” days spent offline, we’ll talk about the “pre-AI” days spent online. I can imagine a flood of content so gargantuan and vast that by 2030, finding new real words online written by real breathing people will be like finding a teacup in a junkyard. I’ll stress that this view is strictly my own and not my employers, but I personally wish this box had remained closed. The benefit we’re seeing now just isn’t worth what’s to come, I fear.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by dolmen »

system16 wrote: post #14

> In my lifetime, I’ve seen two demonstrations of technology that struck me as revolutionary. > The first time was in 1980, when I was introduced to a graphical user interface > The second big surprise came just last year. I’d been meeting with the team from OpenAI I guess it's not surprising since Microsoft was late to the game with IE, but it's interesting he never mentions "the internet" in this list.

Last paragraph:

> I’m lucky to have been involved with the PC revolution and the Internet revolution.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by hackerlight »

asdff wrote: post #152
bsaul wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the types of error chatgpt makes are indeed very similar to the ones a tesla autopilot does ( probably due to the nature of NN) There is one big difference though : there are TONS of tasks chatgpt can do that don't require 100% accuracy to be useful and actually replace humans.

What are some of those tasks humans are doing today where they need information but it doesn't have to be accurate information? Brainstorming for sitcoms?

Anything low stakes like learning a new language or writing some code/creating some art for a landing page for a new idea.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by asdff »

krautt wrote: post #76

given all the world's pain and suffering that has been caused by the GUI, i fear AI for the first time...

My controversial opinion is that the gui was a leap back to the stoneage. Teach a person to fish? Nah, lets teach them nothing about the rod, the line, the water, the hook, or even the fish, and sell them fish sticks since they can barely handle a microwave. Abstraction is distraction.
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