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Re: Google Bard waitlist

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Post by weinzierl »

endtime wrote: post #180
tauntz wrote: post #158

> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! Sigh. Google never learns. By the time they add support for using this in my country, there's no reason for me to use it anymore as competitors have already swept in. It's the same playbook with every US-only launch: 1. get everybody hyped up 2. make it accessible to only a minor subset of people but advertise it as a "launch" or "open beta" or whatever 3.…

> This Google Account isn’t supported > Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts or when our systems indicate you may be under 18. Learn more Google: 15 years of punishment for being a loyal Dasher/ Google Apps/GSuite/Google Workspace user.

I got the same message with my regular Google account. What is a workspace account and which type of account do I need to use Google Bard?

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Post by vineyardmike »

PedroBatista wrote: post #157

"Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned!" Can't wait to ask "Bard" what's the rationale to "not support" a service like this based on my country.. These "global companies" are so global regarding their revenue and tax schemes, but when something is different than the "business as usual" they turn into hyper local shops. It's just an observation, I'm not really that mad and desperate to try their "…

I don’t know what country you’re in, but at previous jobs, we did country by country rollout because it took time to do localizations and translations.

Even at FAANG jobs, we hired contractors to translate things out of en-us, so that could be a factor for Google to get this out.

Also everyone else’s point about limiting legal discussions. They’re probably using this data for training purposes and don’t want to deal with European laws. If they’re hosting the data in limited data centers, they may also have to deal with data locality laws.

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Post by edmundsauto »

maxilevi wrote: post #20

“Bard is not available in your country” Why do they even limit access depending on the country? It’s a chatbot, not a financial service.

Possible actual reason: Google understands US law very well and decided this was a reasonable sweet spot to maximize publicity and use, minimize legal risk. With new tech, it’s hard to know what regional regs could be violated. Countries with stronger data regulation regimes are higher risk to launch anything in.

It’s one of the costs to better privacy controls. You’re not going to get the latest hotness because teams have to think through the risks.

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Post by crakenzak »

lvspiff wrote: post #127
Satam wrote: post #109

"We're starting to start the beginning of letting people try so they can now apply to our waitlist so they can be emailed that it's their turn to try Bard, the AI experiment."

Can I be part of the delegation that will be discussing the formation of a committee to institute the process of allowing people to sign up to be waitlisted for the consideration for the opportunity to potentially begin to start seeing how to use Bard?

Have you drafted the design doc for it yet and looped in all the potentially impacted parties and teams for comments?

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Post by NicoJuicy »

dmix wrote: post #77
winddude wrote: post #62

"The new A.I. chatbot will be available to a limited number of users in the United States and Britain and will accommodate additional users, countries and languages over time, Google executives said in an interview." So no, no they didn't release it.

> But Google is taking a much more circumspect approach than its competitors, which have faced criticism that they are proliferating an unpredictable and sometimes untrustworthy technology. It's interesting how they use the AI ethics excuse. Maybe the real problem is that there's isn't as good as the competition, or to their own standards, and they are being careful not to damage their brand by being so behind.

+1

Google was sitting on this since 2017.

Ethics and possible business interruption are both very good reasons for them to be safe.

And since they released the paper, i think ethics was a much bigger concern than I'd normally think. Hell, even they don't even fully understand the math behind it since it was found by AI as far as I know.

Microsoft and OpenAI benefiting from it feels a bit off.

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Post by belter »

verdverm wrote: post #262
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. Meanwhile ChatGPT is used everywhere in France, and it's now synonymous with AI for most people in Europe. Game over.

OpenAI has had significant up time issues. They don't seem to know how to run production services. Business cannot rely on them as a foundation to build upon. Their moat is quite thin and dry

Well they are on Azure so....

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Post by jakeinspace »

oezi wrote: post #280
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. Meanwhile ChatGPT is used everywhere in France, and it's now synonymous with AI for most people in Europe. Game over.

Except that ChatGPT is such a bad name for a product. I don't think Bard is much better but I don't think ChatGPT is going to be a household name.

CatGPT is a better name than ChatGPT, perhaps that’s why it’s taking off (allegedly) in France.

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Post by garblegarble »

cidergal wrote: post #222
garblegarble wrote: post #10

It's at https://bard.google.com - I tried to join the waitlist but this is yet another Google service where Google Workspaces accounts simply don't work. Back to GPT-4 then!

Is it still possible for the average person to access GPT-4?

I suppose it depends on what you consider the average person - it's not available for free, but it is available as part of the $20/month ChatGPT Plus. I suspect $20/month is very affordable for most HN users.

ChatGPT Plus is very bad value vs ChatGPT API (particularly now that 3rd party chat clients exist)... I've spent $20 on ChatGPT Plus in the same month where I've spent My subscription is due for renewal this week and I was going to cancel it, but for me it's worth it short-term for GPT-4 access. The increased context size and improvements in reasoning & general output quality are significant for my use cases.

GPT-4 access in ChatGPT Plus is quite limited (was originally 100 every few hours, currently 25 and going lower since they're struggling to keep up with demand) but that's still enough to get useful results out of it currently, especially if you have built up some intuition on how to prompt using 3.5.

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Post by wahnfrieden »

crazygringo wrote: post #278
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trying to be rude, but when you're a company the size of Google - that's had MASSIVE lawsuits - you can't just willy-nilly release products globally.

Exactly. You have to go through legal review in every country, is this breaking an accessibility law in Australia or a copyright law in Argentina or a localization law in Canada or an antitrust law in the EU? That's just how it works. That stuff takes months, so do you prefer to withhold it from the US until that's all completed? In a competitive environment that moves quickly, that's not an option.

"That's just how it works" is trivially invalidated by looking at how it works beyond the walls of this particular corp, eg Bing. So all you're saying is that however the powers that be behave is how they ought to behave
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