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Re: Google Bard waitlist

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Post by esskay »

Version467 wrote: post #223

The comments here are very interesting. I see very little about the actual performance of bard (and the few comments that do mention that it's worse than chatgpt because it uses a much smaller model to reduce inference costs). Instead most comments are either about country/workspace account restrictions, googles past history with sunsetting products, or their general lack of product releases in the ml space. Incredib…

The problem they've got is trust. There's absolutely no way in hell people are going to actively integrate or invest into anything new from Google when theres a high chance it's going to be listed on killedbygoogle.com within 18 months.

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Post by tiborsaas »

kernal wrote: post #230
zippergz wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not what killed clubhouse. In fact, clubhouse instantly got worse when they launched the android app...

Are you implying that the Clubhouse got worse because they brought in Android users? Because, if you are, that's pretty ......

I think that's what happened regardless of how it sounds. Until it was an elitist iPhone only app, it had a cool vibe around it, but I suspected once they open the floodgates most people will realize how little value it has. Then they probably couldn't handle the traffic and new issues. I'm not saying there's any problem with Android users, but building a community on a single mobile platform for a long time then mixing it with another was probably a bad move.

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

tauntz wrote: post #158

> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! Sigh. Google never learns. By the time they add support for using this in my country, there's no reason for me to use it anymore as competitors have already swept in. It's the same playbook with every US-only launch: 1. get everybody hyped up 2. make it accessible to only a minor subset of people but advertise it as a "launch" or "open beta" or whatever 3.…

It's even more frustrating to get this message from Puerto Rico, which is a US territory. Feels like being treated as second-class citizens. We're subject to the same federal laws.

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Post by kjreact »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #199
Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-US countries like to fine US tech companies and create regulations ect. which we are already seeing in the EU wrt AI. So it makes sense why they don't want to be involved in that kind of thing before there is even a real product. That is, there is no upside for them aside from market share, which I agree is important but does not alone explain Google's product failures, about which much has already been written.

Sure. Meanwhile ChatGPT is used everywhere in France, and it's now synonymous with AI for most people in Europe. Game over.

Just like Netscape is synonymous with browser? Just 5 years ago DeepMind was at the forefront. AI tech is changing so fast who knows who will be ahead in the next 5 years?

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Post by tiborsaas »

rileyphone wrote: post #206
realPubkey wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clubhouse was even more stupid by launching iOS only which killed themself.

It worked for Instagram - Clubhouse's failure was far more spectacular.

Sharing pretty pics is easy to get and easy to do. Listening into a random conference calls is much harder to sell and even harder to scale.

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Post by cowl »

rospaya wrote: post #173
pwb25 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It never cease to amaze me how a software that is just inputs and outputs, can not be "available" in some country if you sell something, then sure goods might have laws. but just text ? lol

Might be localization, PR, scaling, not enough capacity for the new users. I hate it but I can imagine it.

>localization

We don't want that. Every time Google launches something it takes months for it to understand that just because I'm currently located in country X does not mean I want localization or personalization for that country. Just release the service for those that can use it without the localization. After all we know that the vast majority of the models are trained on English, it's useless to give me a subpar undertrained model on local language.

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Post by t0mas88 »

Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #191
tauntz wrote: post #158

> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! Sigh. Google never learns. By the time they add support for using this in my country, there's no reason for me to use it anymore as competitors have already swept in. It's the same playbook with every US-only launch: 1. get everybody hyped up 2. make it accessible to only a minor subset of people but advertise it as a "launch" or "open beta" or whatever 3.…

Non-US countries like to fine US tech companies and create regulations ect. which we are already seeing in the EU wrt AI. So it makes sense why they don't want to be involved in that kind of thing before there is even a real product. That is, there is no upside for them aside from market share, which I agree is important but does not alone explain Google's product failures, about which much has already been written.

It's not like the EU is specifically targeting US companies with their consumer protection regulations. Those things are considered completely normal protections for consumers in Europe.

It's just that 99% of US big tech companies are very anti-consumer and have gotten away with it in the US in the past. But that also seems to be changing over time.

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Post by peanuty1 »

kick_in_the_dor wrote: post #239
tauntz wrote: post #158

> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! Sigh. Google never learns. By the time they add support for using this in my country, there's no reason for me to use it anymore as competitors have already swept in. It's the same playbook with every US-only launch: 1. get everybody hyped up 2. make it accessible to only a minor subset of people but advertise it as a "launch" or "open beta" or whatever 3.…

ChatGPT wasn't available to everyone initially (huge waitlist).

I think most people got access fairly quickly. Same with Bing Chat.

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

PedroBatista wrote: post #192
superfrank wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure where you are, but I always assume that means, "We're doing something that some might consider sketchy and don't want to dedicate resources to figuring out if it's legal outside the US".

It's usually by cultural proximity/who are your cousins more than a legal thing. It usually goes by "US,Canada,UK most times Australia, then NZ when they remember, then Ireland and let's start to deal with the nordics and Germany.."

Idk, Norway is usually last because we have the absolute gall of requiring that foreign companies selling services here have to pay sales tax.

Not being in the EU doesn't help either.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #243
tauntz wrote: post #158

> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! Sigh. Google never learns. By the time they add support for using this in my country, there's no reason for me to use it anymore as competitors have already swept in. It's the same playbook with every US-only launch: 1. get everybody hyped up 2. make it accessible to only a minor subset of people but advertise it as a "launch" or "open beta" or whatever 3.…

It's even more frustrating to get this message from Puerto Rico, which is a US territory. Feels like being treated as second-class citizens. We're subject to the same federal laws.

Really weird to restrict Puerto Rico. I'm assuming someone goofed up a setting somewhere. Its like not including Hawaii basically, everyone in Puerto Rico is a US citizen.
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