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Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by jokethrowaway »

mesh wrote: post #124
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing a fundamental reason: adding AI functionality into products is simply easier. That is, these companies are largely not doing the hard part, which is creating and training these models in the first place. The examples you gave of of cloud and iPhone have both huge capital barriers to entry, and in iPhones case other phone companies just didn't have the unique design talent combination of Jobs an…

>That is, these companies are largely not doing the hard part, which is creating and training these models in the first place. fyi, for Adobe Firefly, we are training or models. From the FAQ: "What was the training data for Firefly? Firefly was trained on Adobe Stock images, openly licensed content and public domain content, where copyright has expired." https://firefly.adobe.com/faq (I work for Adobe)

Sure but are you standing on the shoulders of Stable Diffusion or not?

Fine tuning Stable Diffusion with your own images is way easier than creating Stable Diffusion in the first place.

If you're creating your own I stand corrected and that's some serious investment.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by airstrike »

open-paren wrote: post #81

Adobe employee, not in Creative Cloud. We got access to this in beta a week ago and it was an instant hit across the whole company. This is just the tip of the iceberg and there is a lot of really cool, in-house products around generative AI. The team is going to great lengths to make this ethical and fair (try and generate a photo of a copyrighted character like Hello Kitty or Darth Vader). I'm excited to see the fi…

> The team is going to great lengths to make this ethical and fair (try and generate a photo of a copyrighted character like Hello Kitty or Darth Vader)

are you saying it won't work? if that's the case, that seems really silly. actually, it goes against everything I believe in (as well as my understanding of even the kindest meaning of the word "hacker"). it drives me up the wall, it makes my blood boil

who is going to stop me from drawing hello kitty myself?

it's not the tool's job to regulate my creativity. the law exists to regulate the use of my art, not the act of creating the art. I can draw hello kitty all I want and leave it in my drawer, if it floats my boat

limiting the tool just makes me never want to use it. you're like Sony fighting digital music in the 2000s. the future is right in front of you but you just can't see it.

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Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by Alchemista »

grondo4 wrote: post #92
mrelectric wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're obviously not

Is that a joke? Yes you are allowed to read closed-source, proprietary code and become a better programmer for it. I've decompiled games to learn how they structure their code to improve the structure of games that I program. I had no right to that code and I used it to become a better programmer just like AI do. That's not copyright infringement. You have a right to stop me from using your code, not learning from it…

This is a pretty extreme stance. There is a fine line between "learning from" proprietary code and outright stealing some of the key insights and IP. Sometimes it takes a very difficult conceptual leap to solve some of the more difficult computer science and math problems. "Learning" (aka stealing) someone's solution is very problematic and will get you sued if you are not careful.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by timeon »

rchaud wrote: post #127
daveslash wrote: post #96

When I look at older magazines, photos, billboards, and advertisements -- today's world of media is so much more colorful and vibrant than it was in the 60s & 70s. E.g. This [0] vs. this [1]. With the race to the bottom for generating high-quality, scalable, rich and colorful illustrations at almost no cost in massive quantities, I'm envisioning the world is about to get even more colorful and vibrant. [0] https://cd…

Counterpoint: BYTE Magazine artwork (1980s) compared to macabre SVG libraries of wavy modular body parts stitched together to show human activity. [0]: https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bytecover.jp... [1]: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Co...

It seems to me that at one point people were fed-up with vibrant style of 90s. Reaction was minimalism and later flat design and Corporate Memphis.

Now the pendulum is swinging back.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by MrScruff »

motoxpro wrote: post #8

Interesting that the large company AI products (this, Microsoft copilot, etc) are so much more compelling than any of the startups I’ve seen. Makes me think that we haven’t seen what true innovation looks like in this space. Right now, AI is a feature, not a product. Edit: Not talking about the models themselves (stability, mid journey, GPT-x), talking about what is built on those models.

Isn’t almost everything on this page concept stuff though? Seems like the only thing they’re shipping is text to image and the results they show look pretty underwhelming.

Seems like all these big companies are pushing amazing looking concept videos more than anything.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by varispeed »

daveslash wrote: post #96

When I look at older magazines, photos, billboards, and advertisements -- today's world of media is so much more colorful and vibrant than it was in the 60s & 70s. E.g. This [0] vs. this [1]. With the race to the bottom for generating high-quality, scalable, rich and colorful illustrations at almost no cost in massive quantities, I'm envisioning the world is about to get even more colorful and vibrant. [0] https://cd…

Race to the bottom is only when it comes to wages.

Companies are making profits not seen before.

We had a blip in the history where everyone could participate in the economy - from building prototype in a garage to becoming relatively wealthy.

Now we have wage slavery and access to market gatekeeped by VC and banks.

Not a great future.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by luke_cq »

dopeboy wrote: post #11

What this reinforces is that unlike with previous big innovations (cloud, iphone, etc), incumbents will not sit on their laurels with the AI wave. They are aggressively integrating it into their products which (1) provides a relatively cheap step function upgrade and (2) keeps the barrier high for startups to use AI as their wedge. I attribute the speed at which incumbents are integrating AI into their products to a…

I think what we're going to see is that all the small startups going for big, broad ideas ("we do AI writing for anything", "your one-stop marketing content automation platform", etc) are going to flat out lose to the big companies. I predict that the startups we'll see survive are the ones that find tight niches and solve for prompt engineering and UX around a very specific problem.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by TylerE »

usrusr wrote: post #73
TylerE wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creative people are paid to be creative, not enter keyboard shortcuts all day. It’s the idea and vision that are the real differentiator.

Kids at street corners have idea and vision, no shortage in that. What matters is putting together idea and vision with execution. And for anything that is beyond basement scope, execution further subdivides into craft and access. Access to the means, and that is true for Hollywood as much as it is true for the smallest-time painter who might not be good at making friends with gallerists. The outliers are those that…

Kids on corners have ideas. Very few of them are GOOD ideas. Anyone can say 'Make a movie with lots of aliens and lasers'. It still takes Ridley Scott to make Alien.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by omoikane »

throwthrowuknow wrote: post #91
judge2020 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still on the fence for whether or not you should be able to opt out of training (I'm sure many artists would love to "opt out" of humans looking at their art if the human intends to, or might, copy the artists' style at some point).

> I'm sure many artists would love to "opt out" of humans looking at their art if the human intends to, or might, copy the artists' style at some point I’m pretty sure that would be a death knell for art. Where are these mythical artists who have never looked at anyone else’s art?

It's the same problem with fake copies of Van Gogh and so forth, except historically those fakes were produced at a much slower rate because of the time needed to master the skills to produce those fakes. With modern tools, those fakes could be mass produced, while the original artists are still alive.
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