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Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by beebmam »

hotz wrote: post #13
causi wrote: post #5

And for what? Today, Iraq is struggling to rebuild itself. Iran and ISIS remain a serious threat. The Americans hoped to build a Jeffersonian republic in the heart of the Middle East, and failed. The whole thing seems like a horrible, tragic mistake. I disagree. This is a bold statement for someone who left Iraq fourteen years ago and never went back. Probably the current regime is better than Saddam. Is it so much b…

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When I read comments like this, I have a hard time understanding how people come to such wide conclusions.

You do realize there's an enormous percentage of Americans who do have empathy for those that suffer from their country's actions?

It's hard to not simply dismiss comments like this as dishonest, given that this analysis decontextualizes these deaths. What would the consequences be if the US did not help the UN in protecting Korea from a war of aggression? What would the consequences be if the US didn't play a major role in ending European empires post WW2? What would be the consequences for Europe if the US didn't wage a cold war against an aggressive Soviet Union? No one can truly know.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

sofixa wrote: post #17
miroljub wrote: post #6

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I smell sarcasm, but still, you're not that wrong. The motivation absolutely matters - US Imperialism is much softer, even in it's war crimes, than Russian Imperialism that comes with genocide bundled. In the former case where it hurts is that they try to paint a rosy picture (freedom and democracy etc.) while committing war crimes / invading left and right for business interests, and that hypocrisy is very annoying.…

The official motivation in Irak were WMD, eventually revealed to be a complete fabrication by the Bush administration.

The United Nation voted against the war, and the US went anyway, under the pretense there was a link with 9/11, which we know now is BS.

If Russia did this, you would call it what it is: a bunch of greedy bullies that seized the opportunity provided by a terrorist attack to justify the occupation of a sovereign country because it's a military and economic winning move.

But apparently the US gets a pass at being a monster.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by barrad0s »

miroljub wrote: post #6

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We continue the good work by supplying weapons at taxpayer's cost to extend the war against the evil Russians and the definitelly not corrupt Ukranian government, instead of, idk, crazy idea, try to push for peace.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #29
hotz wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we compare the list of invasions and proxy wars started by America and Russia? To justify the atrocities of the west is the height of hypocrisy.

After the second world war: - War in Iraq. Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF; March 2003 - November 2011) ... - War in Afghanistan. Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF; October, 2001 – December, 2014) ... - Persian Gulf War (1991) ... - Vietnam War (1962 - 1973) ... - Korean War (1950 - 1953) And this does not include things like coups in South America, or the fact they are surrounding Iran with missiles. The USA is among the…

War in Afghanistan

War against China in Mongolia

War against Georgia

War against Finland

War against Insurgenst in eastern europe

War against Insurgents in ukraine

War against Checheyna

War in SouthKorea

War in Vietnam

Bloody beasts those empireus..

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by rdevsrex »

miroljub wrote: post #6

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It's not the same, but there are similarities. It's not like the US hasn't knowingly killed civilians before.

And speaking of the war in Ukraine, I truly believe the US provoked Russia. Of course, Russia is responsible for its war crimes, but the US and its allies are the ones who wanted to encircle Russia by expanding NATO eastwards, even after they promised not to.

There was a time when we could have made Russia an ally, but now they are an enemy and aligned with China.

Our politicians either are too stupid, too corrupt, or both.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #35
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the second world war: - War in Iraq. Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF; March 2003 - November 2011) ... - War in Afghanistan. Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF; October, 2001 – December, 2014) ... - Persian Gulf War (1991) ... - Vietnam War (1962 - 1973) ... - Korean War (1950 - 1953) And this does not include things like coups in South America, or the fact they are surrounding Iran with missiles. The USA is among the…

War in Afghanistan War against China in Mongolia War against Georgia War against Finland War against Insurgenst in eastern europe War against Insurgents in ukraine War against Checheyna War in SouthKorea War in Vietnam Bloody beasts those empireus..

So what you are saying is that the US has a track record almost as long as what we consider one of the worst example of dictatorship in the world.

Stating you have only being 80% the serial killer that jack the ripper was is not really what I would strive for in life.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by causi »

miroljub wrote: post #7
causi wrote: post #5

And for what? Today, Iraq is struggling to rebuild itself. Iran and ISIS remain a serious threat. The Americans hoped to build a Jeffersonian republic in the heart of the Middle East, and failed. The whole thing seems like a horrible, tragic mistake. I disagree. This is a bold statement for someone who left Iraq fourteen years ago and never went back. Probably the current regime is better than Saddam. Is it so much b…

> This is a bold statement for someone who left Iraq fourteen years ago and never went back. Probably the current regime is better than Saddam. Is it so much better it was worth two trillion dollars and half a million lives? Is it so much better the rise and fight against ISIS was worth it? I would like to hear the perspective of someone who lives there. You don't need to be "someone living there" to answer this ques…

Just imagine half a million people in your state got killed by some foreign invader

Half a million people were not killed by a foreign invader. They were killed as a result of a foreign invader destroying the existing power structure. The number actually killed by coalition troops is a small fraction of the total.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #37
qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

War in Afghanistan War against China in Mongolia War against Georgia War against Finland War against Insurgenst in eastern europe War against Insurgents in ukraine War against Checheyna War in SouthKorea War in Vietnam Bloody beasts those empireus..

So what you are saying is that the US has a track record almost as long as what we consider one of the worst example of dictatorship in the world. Stating you have only being 80% the serial killer that jack the ripper was is not really what I would strive for in life.

Im saying, that the structure of empire, does not give a damn about the values, it corrupts all, infiltrates all, from the highest king to the lowest peasant, the mindset starts to differ, the values start to differ, the processes start to devolve and dissolve, turning a democratic process of searching for compromise into a partisan war of conquest. The outcome is the same, but one struggles against it and the other embraces it to the fullest as the natural order of things.

The dosage makes a thing a poison, but this beast can not be dosaged, as the lack of self-control is in its very heart.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #39
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what you are saying is that the US has a track record almost as long as what we consider one of the worst example of dictatorship in the world. Stating you have only being 80% the serial killer that jack the ripper was is not really what I would strive for in life.

Im saying, that the structure of empire, does not give a damn about the values, it corrupts all, infiltrates all, from the highest king to the lowest peasant, the mindset starts to differ, the values start to differ, the processes start to devolve and dissolve, turning a democratic process of searching for compromise into a partisan war of conquest. The outcome is the same, but one struggles against it and the other…

I agree, but that is not widely understood.

A lot of people still think the USA are angels liberating the world.

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