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Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by hotz » Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 3:25 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #17

miroljub wrote: post #6

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I smell sarcasm, but still, you're not that wrong. The motivation absolutely matters - US Imperialism is much softer, even in it's war crimes, than Russian Imperialism that comes with genocide bundled. In the former case where it hurts is that they try to paint a rosy picture (freedom and democracy etc.) while committing war crimes / invading left and right for business interests, and that hypocrisy is very annoying.…

Can we compare the list of invasions and proxy wars started by America and Russia?

To justify the atrocities of the west is the height of hypocrisy.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by BiteCode_dev » Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 3:25 PM UTC

miroljub wrote: post #6

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Indeed, and unlike the Russian excuse of the fake bio weapon labs, the US had the totally valid excuse of weapons of mass destruction that were 100% real and not invented by the Bush administration.

Good thing the entire world opposed the war when the USA decided to go against the UN vote. Because letting those of hundreds of thousands of innocents die just because the USA are the strongest bully of the planet would be weighting heavily on our conscience otherwise.

Everyone would remember.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by consumer451 » Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 3:26 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #15

consumer451 wrote: post #4

Washington Post Poll: Saddam Hussein and the Sept. 11 Attacks (2003) https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/vault/s...

Incredible. A lot of people, both press, government, TV, and columnists, worked very hard to make sure the public was that misinformed.

There are several experiences to never forget about September 11th and this one is high on my list.

We are easily programmed meat machines.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by banannaise » Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 3:26 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #17

miroljub wrote: post #6

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I smell sarcasm, but still, you're not that wrong. The motivation absolutely matters - US Imperialism is much softer, even in it's war crimes, than Russian Imperialism that comes with genocide bundled. In the former case where it hurts is that they try to paint a rosy picture (freedom and democracy etc.) while committing war crimes / invading left and right for business interests, and that hypocrisy is very annoying.…

> than Russian Imperialism that comes with genocide bundled

The United States has killed well over a quarter million Arab civilians, many of those directly through war crimes, in an ethnically motivated invasion. Explain what isn't genocide about that.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by myth_drannon » Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 3:26 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #17

miroljub wrote: post #6

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I smell sarcasm, but still, you're not that wrong. The motivation absolutely matters - US Imperialism is much softer, even in it's war crimes, than Russian Imperialism that comes with genocide bundled. In the former case where it hurts is that they try to paint a rosy picture (freedom and democracy etc.) while committing war crimes / invading left and right for business interests, and that hypocrisy is very annoying.…

Yes, that's correct. No matter how much US lead wars caused distruction and suffering it was "mostly" collateral damage and naive stupidity that they can change things to their own accord. Russian invasion in Ukraine is pure evil for the sake of showing how evil they are just to scare off the enemy and the future opponents. This is just as barbaric as did Mongols to Slavs, burning entire towns. Next thing after they lose the war I expect them to turn inwards and start murdering their own people a-la Stalin's purges.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by BiteCode_dev » Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 3:26 PM UTC

throwway120385 wrote: post #19

miroljub wrote: post #6

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What are you trying to say here? Russia is intentionally kidnapping children and murdering innocent non-combatants in a campaign of terror to break the spirit of Ukraine. They're launching cruise missiles into apartments and hospitals. They told their own soldiers that the Ukrainian people wanted Russian occupation so badly that their army sent riot police instead of regular army when they made their first push towar…

Funny that you use a throwway while OP is using his real account to state opposite but equally risky positions.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by newaccount2023 » Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 3:27 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #14

mc32 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world is not clear-cut black and white. Few are completely bad or completely good. Maybe no-one is. Sanguinely, the world is realpolitik and the good must do some bad to increase good. Also the bad do some good in order that they may continue to do bad. On balance was it good? It's an open question. Should the world have let Saddam initiate an Iraq-Iran War II? Was he bluffing? We don't know -he's dead. Maybe cou…

> Bush and Obama are rehabilitated I'm fairly sure that most of the leftists who complained about Bush back then have not rehabilitated him, they've just added more people to the front of the list.

> I'm fairly sure that most of the leftists who complained about Bush back then have not rehabilitated him

they did after he trash talked Trump

apparently saying "grab her by the p----y" is worse than starting two wars

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by hotz » Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 3:27 PM UTC

throwway120385 wrote: post #19

miroljub wrote: post #6

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What are you trying to say here? Russia is intentionally kidnapping children and murdering innocent non-combatants in a campaign of terror to break the spirit of Ukraine. They're launching cruise missiles into apartments and hospitals. They told their own soldiers that the Ukrainian people wanted Russian occupation so badly that their army sent riot police instead of regular army when they made their first push towar…

This reeks of propaganda.

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by BiteCode_dev » Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 3:30 PM UTC

hotz wrote: post #21

sofixa wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I smell sarcasm, but still, you're not that wrong. The motivation absolutely matters - US Imperialism is much softer, even in it's war crimes, than Russian Imperialism that comes with genocide bundled. In the former case where it hurts is that they try to paint a rosy picture (freedom and democracy etc.) while committing war crimes / invading left and right for business interests, and that hypocrisy is very annoying.…

Can we compare the list of invasions and proxy wars started by America and Russia? To justify the atrocities of the west is the height of hypocrisy.

After the second world war:

- War in Iraq. Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF; March 2003 - November 2011) ...

- War in Afghanistan. Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF; October, 2001 – December, 2014) ...

- Persian Gulf War (1991) ...

- Vietnam War (1962 - 1973) ...

- Korean War (1950 - 1953)

And this does not include things like coups in South America, or the fact they are surrounding Iran with missiles.

The USA is among the biggest war mongers of the world, they have killing millions since 1950, and everybody seems to just go "meh".

Re: Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis Were Killed in the War. One Was My Brother

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Post by throwway120385 » Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 3:32 PM UTC

hotz wrote: post #13

causi wrote: post #5

And for what? Today, Iraq is struggling to rebuild itself. Iran and ISIS remain a serious threat. The Americans hoped to build a Jeffersonian republic in the heart of the Middle East, and failed. The whole thing seems like a horrible, tragic mistake. I disagree. This is a bold statement for someone who left Iraq fourteen years ago and never went back. Probably the current regime is better than Saddam. Is it so much b…

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It might seem like all Americans are totally fine with invasions, but you have to remember that we form a new government every 2 years and we replace our executive usually every 8 years unless you do something that incenses a lot of Americans. You paint with a pretty broad brush because you're totally ignoring the history of protest for each of these wars. The fact is we're divided as a nation by whether we're comfortable with imperialism. But we're also allowed by law to be divided, which is a big difference.