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SETI@home is in hibernation

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Did this org achieve anything? And if so, would government have allowed them to publish their results?

If we found signs of extraterrestrial life somewhere in the universe, I think governments would celebrate. The president of the United States would try to be in the meeting where it was announced just so his face would be on every story about it.

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I get the opposite vibe because the forerunner is ClosedAI.

True, but to be fair it was only recently that OpenAI really took over with ChatGPT and their api cost. Before that (just 3-4 months ago), the open source models were excellent competitors.

Yeah but it's a huge gap. The other chat bots were just for research or fun, while ChatGPT is truly useful for average people.

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It'd be valuable to determine the additional lives lost due to increased energy costs from these higher construction standards, and the lives saved from these standards. My wholly intuition-based guess would be that the net effect of these higher construction/safety standards is massively more lives lost. But if that is the case, it's worth remembering that the lives lost from higher construction standards are a resu…

Another possibility is that the US simply isn't building as much these days, and heavy construction might have lost economies of scale. The Baumol Effect is another possible contributor. Renewable construction is not of the same kind, especially PV. Specific construction expertise for nuclear very likely has degraded (the US can no longer forge the large reactor vessels for PWRs, for example.) Nuclear is going to be…

Building out transmission lines for low-intensity power sources like wind/solar is labor intensive, like nuclear power plant construction, so I suspect factors like the Baumol Effect similarly affect the cost of both.

Nuclear plant construction has the potential to become much less labor intensive if it moves to smaller, standardized nuclear reactors that can be manufactured in factories, using mass-production techniques.

>>Nuclear is going to be further negatively affected if there's a transition away from fossil fuels, since the industrial infrastructure for making steam turbines will no longer have as much support.

True. However this is a surmountable problem. It's just a matter of using subsidies to achieve economies of scale in nuclear plant construction.

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Counterpoint: France is doing extremely well in Europe and is the only country that is doing well (I'm talking energy-wize). France is a nuclear energy country. So yes, there is 1 pretty great solution to the energy problem and yes it has existed since the 50's..

France has the same energy price rises as the rest of Europe last year, since so many of their reactors weren't working. Most of them are also aging. Their average prices are only a little below the EU average. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

France is one of Europe's top energy exporters, despiting consuming a significant amount of energy itself. Domestic energy prices levelling with prices in neighboring countries, while energy exports rise, is what you'd expect with a country that has a relative abundance of energy along with free trade with neighboring countries.

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Another possibility is that the US simply isn't building as much these days, and heavy construction might have lost economies of scale. The Baumol Effect is another possible contributor. Renewable construction is not of the same kind, especially PV. Specific construction expertise for nuclear very likely has degraded (the US can no longer forge the large reactor vessels for PWRs, for example.) Nuclear is going to be…

Building out transmission lines for low-intensity power sources like wind/solar is labor intensive, like nuclear power plant construction, so I suspect factors like the Baumol Effect similarly affect the cost of both. Nuclear plant construction has the potential to become much less labor intensive if it moves to smaller, standardized nuclear reactors that can be manufactured in factories, using mass-production techni…

I am skeptical of the SMR-built-in-factories schtick. It sure isn't helping NuScale control costs -- they're up to $15/We now, and it will not be surprising if that goes even higher.

The problem with the subsidy argument is there's no good experience to show that subsidies would do more here than just burn money. Nuclear has not had good experience effects. This is in sharp contrast to renewables and storage.

Nuclear is weighed down by the boat anchor of its historically poor performance.

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I was just thinking that it would be great to do something like seti@home but for an open libre super LLM: Install a client that would help run / train the huge llm and you get Access to the network to do queries. Kind of how napster/Kazaa were at their time. I would love to work on doing something like that.

What you’re describing is http://chat.petals.ml/

Thanks a lot for the link. It is an interesting project. I tried the Google Notebook and it was a trip:

https://ibb.co/qpbzBZJ

Somehow, the AI believes that Alan Shepard was the first person on space.

Doing this session reminded me A LOT of Asimov's short stories in "I Robot". I feel that the future AI "debugging" session will be like that. It's been a while since I read the book, so I'll have to re-read it again.

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I'm only including things that are viable. It seems it's just going to be cheaper to build out significant wind and solar, while keeping nuclear around for the times there's neither wind nor sun.

That's a complete terrible way to use nuclear. The cost per unit of produced energy will be so large that other systems (like storage, including burning hydrogen in turbines) would be much more economical to cover those dark-calm periods. Nuclear should either be operated all the time, or it shouldn't be used at all.

I believe you can scale nuclear up in times of demand. So you'd be running it at lower capacity when it's not needed

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Counterpoint: France is doing extremely well in Europe and is the only country that is doing well (I'm talking energy-wize). France is a nuclear energy country. So yes, there is 1 pretty great solution to the energy problem and yes it has existed since the 50's..

France has the same energy price rises as the rest of Europe last year, since so many of their reactors weren't working. Most of them are also aging. Their average prices are only a little below the EU average. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

Sure, when you convert energy you need to do maintenance and keep things up to date and if you don't do that bad things happen. That goes for all methods of energy conversion.

How does that have anything to do with the discussion about energy conversion types methods and their pros / cons?

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