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Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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Post by misslibby »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #512
gambiting wrote: post #414

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Sure but like.........people always say that (for example) in London you can't live closer to work because houses/flats are too expensive. Ok, I mean that's true, but how are you going to solve that? It's a gigantic city which is already full to the brim, with literally 1000+ years of building on top of every single square inch of land available. You would probably have to demolish large areas of London and replace t…

The population is only 20% of the problem -> look at Berlin, it's population has grown 0.3% over the past 30 years, but the house prices have gone stratospheric just like they have in every other major city. 40% of the housing problem is whatever the fuck is going on in the banking system -> it enables us to commit all of our life savings for the rest of our productive lives to pay for a roof over our heads. It's lik…

I would also not trust that number of 0.3% population growth. Were did you get it from? There are a lot of refugees from Ukraine, for example, which may have given prices another boost in the last year.

Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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Post by coderenegade »

mrcartmeneses wrote: post #723
gambiting wrote: post #414

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Sure but like.........people always say that (for example) in London you can't live closer to work because houses/flats are too expensive. Ok, I mean that's true, but how are you going to solve that? It's a gigantic city which is already full to the brim, with literally 1000+ years of building on top of every single square inch of land available. You would probably have to demolish large areas of London and replace t…

40-year Londoner here. The truth is that commuting costs compensate for cheaper rents. And where there is a difference you can also factor in the extra “work” time from spending 3 hours commuting every day. This changes when you work from home, but even then there are few places in suburban England where a decent cargo bike can’t replace a car. England isn’t like America where the towns were built around cars. Our to…

You probably aren't renting further out. Owning a place versus just renting it changes the calculus quite a bit, and you are coming out ahead compared to paying 25% more to live closer in. Working from home also makes a huge difference. A longer commute is tolerable if you only have to do it a few times a week. The days where you don't commute add up to pay rise.

Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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Post by yibg »

sidfthec wrote: post #761
matsemann wrote: post #118

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> - might be impossible depending on work or children; The newer style of cargo bikes can for many families replace a car. Have two kids seated in the trunk of the bike and drop them off at kindergarten, then continue biking to work and pick them up on the way home. Those are a bit on the pricier side, though. Still cheap compared to a car, but people often look at them as something "extravagant" or "in addition" to…

Why is no one talking about the safety of hauling kids on a bike? It's incredibly dangerous compared to a car. In my city, it's not if but when you'll get hit by a car on a bike. Yet I see parents increasingly think it's okay to haul their children on their bikes.

So it’s not the bikes that are dangerous but the cars around them. Shouldn’t the solution be about how to keep cars away from bikes, not ditch bikes and drive cars?

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Post by _hcuq »

sharkweek wrote: post #192
matsemann wrote: post #118

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> - might be impossible depending on work or children; The newer style of cargo bikes can for many families replace a car. Have two kids seated in the trunk of the bike and drop them off at kindergarten, then continue biking to work and pick them up on the way home. Those are a bit on the pricier side, though. Still cheap compared to a car, but people often look at them as something "extravagant" or "in addition" to…

In upfront transparency to avoid sounding like I have a superiority complex based on just how much I love my cargo bike, our family does still have a car. Okay that being said… our cargo bike has replaced 90% of our “last mile” driving here in the city. We take the kids to school on it, we do grocery runs, we take it to the park, out to dinner, just about anywhere we can. In the first two years we’ve put at least 2k…

Presumably you live in a place where it's safe to cycle. If so, I am envious.

Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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Post by nonethewiser »

alkjsdlkjasd wrote: post #202
nonethewiser wrote: post #182

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To share with everyone else, chart 2 shows 12x more fatalities per mile traveled for bikes compared to cars.

On the other hand, is shows that pedestrians and cyclists have the same rate of fatalities per mile traveled. So better to not walk or cycle and just stick to your car /s

It absolutely is more safe to put a child in a car in a car seat than to put them on your bike. I wouldn’t even do that outside a city, on a quiet paved bike path.

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Post by thereisnospork »

piva00 wrote: post #767
thrashh wrote: post #716

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The price going up has probably reduced population growth though, so pointing to low growth but high prices doesn’t tell us that much. Not to say that there isn’t something else going on.

Pointing to low growth and high prices tell us that isn't simple supply and demand pushing the prices up. Berlin even more as large swaths of the city are still underdeveloped after losing 2 million inhabitants since the 1940s-1950s. How can Berlin, a city with ample free space and free buildings still see a massive increase in housing prices if it was a simple issue of supply and demand? There's undoubtedly somethin…

(American POV):

Here in most places it is because supply is suppressed by government policy and the planning and approval process. Want to add a room to your house? That could be 10's of thousands in planning fees if it is even allowed and it still could be denied. Want to turn your laundromat into an apartment complex? Denied: the proposal will cast shadows across a lot where the city is thinking of building a playground for a local school[0].

Overall its very much in the interests of those who own property to keep more from being built and they naturally act for those interests.

[0]Not hyperbole - this is an actual example.

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Post by nonethewiser »

alkjsdlkjasd wrote: post #190
nonethewiser wrote: post #142

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The damage is a function of mass and speed. Obviously walking < e-bike << car

To quickly do the calculations: Walking: 5 km/h * 70kg = 97 kgm/s e-bike: 20 km/h * 90 kg = 500 kgm/s car: 50 km/h * 2000kg = 28,000 kgm/s

This is awesome, thank you (and ditto for this whole chain of replies).

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Post by megablast »

_hcuq wrote: post #774
sharkweek wrote: post #192

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In upfront transparency to avoid sounding like I have a superiority complex based on just how much I love my cargo bike, our family does still have a car. Okay that being said… our cargo bike has replaced 90% of our “last mile” driving here in the city. We take the kids to school on it, we do grocery runs, we take it to the park, out to dinner, just about anywhere we can. In the first two years we’ve put at least 2k…

Presumably you live in a place where it's safe to cycle. If so, I am envious.

You don't get to pick where you live?

I value my time and safety, so I live inner city, near a park and river I can ride to almost anywhere along.

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Post by avianlyric »

myrmidon wrote: post #538
avianlyric wrote: post #438

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You can calculate the approximate speed a vehicle will start aquaplaning at based the vehicles tire pressure (V = 10.35*sqrt(psi) ) [1]. A car tire is usually inflated to around 30-35 psi, which give an aquaplaning speed of about 61mph. A road bike tire is inflated to 80-120psi which give an aquaplaning speed of about 92mph. A hybrid tire is inflated to 40-70psi, which gives an aquaplaning speed of about 65mph. Bikes…

While interesting, this is almost completely irrelevant to bikes: The problem is not primarily water but wet ice or fresh snow. Wet ice is especially dangerous because it can be pretty much invisible and you can transition directly from normal road surface to essentialy ZERO steering ability (and immediate crash if you initiate a turn or anything). There is pretty much no avoiding occasional crashes from this, the on…

Ok, fine. But the argument above it that somehow these issues affect bikes, but not cars. Last I checked black-ice is just as much of a problem for cars.
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