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Re: ChatGPT is rendering other people's chat history in the sidebar

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Post by BoorishBears »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #87

I get that this isn't a trivial service to scale and deploy, but the $20/month fee to use ChatGPT reliably is one of the most unreliable and low-value products I subscribe to. It's basically a toy, and while I'm curious to learn to use it effectively and understand how it might fit into my workflows, I can't help but feel like I'm doing them more of a favour than they are me. It's kind of like ChatGPT Plus is more on…

I usually hate when people drop platitudes like "iF yoU doN't lIkE doN't pAy", but this is the first time I've really felt that.

ChatGPT is offering a lot more than $20 worth of compute to a lot of people. If you find it low value, I don't think you're going to like it when this stuff starts costing what it really should, so I'd say just stop paying for it.

Re: ChatGPT is rendering other people's chat history in the sidebar

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Post by gl-prod »

behnamoh wrote: post #41
doctoboggan wrote: post #25

Last time something like this was posted, someone from OpenAI said those weren't other peoples chat history, they were randomly generated chat titles. (which is what happens when you prompt GPT with a blank line)

How can this happen in 2023? More importantly, how can a well-funded firm like OpenAI allow such lousy database bug to occur in their system? For all the hatred towards Google, I'm sure at least they wouldn't have this kind of problems once they open their (much more powerful) LLM.

No entity is immune from bugs.

Re: ChatGPT is rendering other people's chat history in the sidebar

#133

Post by samuelkazeem »

ModernMech wrote: post #114
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fascinating, you and I are using it essentially in inverse fashion. I feed it docs to get code, you feed it specs to get docs! It's easier than starting from a blank page is precisely where my motivations come from. It spurs the neurons a little better when there's something to work with.

Indeed, I've used it as you describe as well. I particularly like giving it the specs and asking for the docs though, because it's a humbling experience for ChatGPT. Or, I should say it makes its abilities and limitations apparent. When I'm dealing with my own project, I know everything about it. That means there's no room for ChatGPT to correct me. So when it starts telling me what my project can do that I know it c…

This is a really balanced take as against the GPT revolution hype train who really seem to be underestimating the expertise behind the value of the prompt.

Meaning asking good questions (prompting) requires a certain degree of skill and those who do not have it will derive no more value from GPT (and it's variants) than they would from using traditional search.

In essence, the expert gets more done.

Re: ChatGPT is rendering other people's chat history in the sidebar

#134

Post by jraph »

zamadatix wrote: post #113
dang wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changed from https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/ above. Thanks!

Just an opinion (a dime a dozen) but I shouldn't need an extension to re-convert links back to honor what my display preferences on the 3rd party site were in the first place. I get that a lot of people here have a preference for the older version but I don't go around posting https://new.reddit.com/ ... links just because that's what I use - I know that'd break other people's setups which convert https://reddit.com/…

One has to choose between the old and the new interface. There's no way of contenting everybody with a link that makes you reach the one you prefer because such a link does not exist or is not known. And it happens that most people here likely prefer the old or don't care.

So extensions are good for exactly this use case: you have a strong preference, you make your user agent be your agent and make it do what you want.

FWIW I prefer the look of the new interface (except the information density) but as someone who rarely reach a Reddit link, I still haven't understood how to efficiently navigate Reddit threads in it, with its "continue this thread" links all over the place I still haven't understood how they work. I'm lost on these pages. The old interface is easy to navigate (for everybody, even for people who prefer the new interface, the opposite isn't true), way more lightweight on resources usage, works well without JS and also looks like HN a lot more so one could argue that linking to the old interface from HN makes more sense.

(also, you are responding to a comment that changed a link using the old interface to another link using the old interface)

Re: ChatGPT is rendering other people's chat history in the sidebar

#135

Post by yawnxyz »

tkiolp4 wrote: post #123
bavila wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was stuck on a bug for half a day. Even ChatGPT couldn't solve it. The next day, I get access to GPT-4. I put the code in, describe the expected behavior I want, and describe the actual buggy behavior I'm getting. GPT-4 gave me the solution immediately. I'm definitely not considering this to be a low-value "toy". This is powerful stuff.

Weird. Being stuck for days with a bug is not that bad: - you learn a lot of stuff otherwise you wouldn’t have learned - you have material to talk about in your daily standups - your colleagues recognize your effort and once you fix it you get their admiration Using GPT to fix the bug for me would only mean: ok bug is fixed… now I’m gonna pick up the next Jira ticket. So boring.

having mostly worked on my own, I find it fascinating this is how mid-level engineers structure their days at work

Re: ChatGPT is rendering other people's chat history in the sidebar

#136

Post by ghoomketu »

dizhn wrote: post #96
furyofantares wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I get that this isn't a trivial service to scale and deploy, but the $20/month fee to use ChatGPT reliably is one of the most unreliable and low-value products I subscribe to. Meanwhile, after 25 happy years in the industry, I suddenly don't want to work when it's down. It's hard for me to imagine describing it as low-value (though I certainly believe you that it has been to you.)

What are you doing with it. I am seeing this kind of comment a lot but nobody seems to actually say what it is this tool can actually do for them. My personal experience with it makes me really wonder.

I use it as a replacement for Stackoverflow. I can such ask it questions like `how to unzip a zip file in memory using php` and it just gives me the code (instead of lecturing me why I shouldn't do it).

If that doesn't work, I can ask follow up questions or tell it things like refactor the code for me. It's so much better than sifting through garbage on Google with the SO clones and outdated answers. That is actual value for me.

Re: ChatGPT is rendering other people's chat history in the sidebar

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Post by tkiolp4 »

yawnxyz wrote: post #135
tkiolp4 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird. Being stuck for days with a bug is not that bad: - you learn a lot of stuff otherwise you wouldn’t have learned - you have material to talk about in your daily standups - your colleagues recognize your effort and once you fix it you get their admiration Using GPT to fix the bug for me would only mean: ok bug is fixed… now I’m gonna pick up the next Jira ticket. So boring.

having mostly worked on my own, I find it fascinating this is how mid-level engineers structure their days at work

Now you know why Twitter had +7K employees.

Re: ChatGPT is rendering other people's chat history in the sidebar

#138

Post by zamadatix »

jraph wrote: post #134
zamadatix wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just an opinion (a dime a dozen) but I shouldn't need an extension to re-convert links back to honor what my display preferences on the 3rd party site were in the first place. I get that a lot of people here have a preference for the older version but I don't go around posting https://new.reddit.com/ ... links just because that's what I use - I know that'd break other people's setups which convert https://reddit.com/…

One has to choose between the old and the new interface. There's no way of contenting everybody with a link that makes you reach the one you prefer because such a link does not exist or is not known. And it happens that most people here likely prefer the old or don't care. So extensions are good for exactly this use case: you have a strong preference, you make your user agent be your agent and make it do what you wan…

Ah I didn't realize both links were to the "old." prefix, thanks for the clarification.

I disagree with this bit though: "There's no way of contenting everybody with a link that makes you reach the one you prefer because such a link does not exist". Non-prefixed links are precisely the ones that make you reach what the opener prefers, to provide them simply don't add a prefix. It's prefixed links which are the ones that break this functionality, they were meant to explicitly override the user preference setting not to act as the way to set it.

If everyone shared unprefixed links (or HN stripped them in posts automatically) then the default behaviour of following the users preference kicks in be it set to old or new. If people want extensions to double down on overriding it or changing it without a Reddit account then by all means they can go for it but it's backwards to instead have the built in preference functionality but distribute the links in a way you need an extension for it to take effect.

Re: ChatGPT is rendering other people's chat history in the sidebar

#139

Post by jraph »

zamadatix wrote: post #138
jraph wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One has to choose between the old and the new interface. There's no way of contenting everybody with a link that makes you reach the one you prefer because such a link does not exist or is not known. And it happens that most people here likely prefer the old or don't care. So extensions are good for exactly this use case: you have a strong preference, you make your user agent be your agent and make it do what you wan…

Ah I didn't realize both links were to the "old." prefix, thanks for the clarification. I disagree with this bit though: "There's no way of contenting everybody with a link that makes you reach the one you prefer because such a link does not exist". Non-prefixed links are precisely the ones that make you reach what the opener prefers, to provide them simply don't add a prefix. It's prefixed links which are the ones t…

> Non-prefixed links are precisely the ones that make you reach what the opener prefers

How so? Is this a feature for people who have a Reddit account?

Re: ChatGPT is rendering other people's chat history in the sidebar

#140

Post by zamadatix »

jraph wrote: post #139
zamadatix wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah I didn't realize both links were to the "old." prefix, thanks for the clarification. I disagree with this bit though: "There's no way of contenting everybody with a link that makes you reach the one you prefer because such a link does not exist". Non-prefixed links are precisely the ones that make you reach what the opener prefers, to provide them simply don't add a prefix. It's prefixed links which are the ones t…

> Non-prefixed links are precisely the ones that make you reach what the opener prefers How so? Is this a feature for people who have a Reddit account?

Yeah, it's a user preference just like top bar color is here. That's why I say the default linking should be unprefixed and the extension should only be needed if you want to change it but don't want to do so via an account.

But I was under the assumption the change was to old.-ify it. Had I known it was just to modify the URL I wouldn't have went and made this off-topic rabbithole :).

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